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I attended John Macarthur's The Master's College (TMC) for a couple of years several years ago.  And what I wanted to discuss in this post is the cult's educational system itself, which is what initially lures people in thinking they are going to one of the top colleges in the nation and will be prepared for the job market as well as life in general, getting a so-called "non-denominational" Christian education. The Master's College advertises itself as one of many non-denominational Christian colleges in the country that accepts Christians from all denominations as long as they are "Bible believing Chrstians." You must answer a questionnaire with questions like "Why do all men and women need Christ today?" as well as your opinion of the sign gifts (tongues, healings, etc.) This gives them a feel for some of your beliefs before you are accepted. Education there is very expensive, it was $20,000 per year when I was there, and you must apply for various loans, grants, and scholarships. The high price is justified by the belief you are getting a better education than anywhere else, making you more prepared for life. I believe this is part of what keeps people in the cult, since they think if they can endure the hell for 4 or 5 years they will live the rest of their lives as upper class, viewing the outside world in contempt. Also, you are constantly reminded how bad the secular education system is, claiming the teachers wouldn't care about you, the classes don't prepare you and are too easy, etc. So, some of the same mind control that keeps people from leaving the cult itself is also used to keep people in it's education system, as they claim all other churches believe in "cheap grace." These ideas are reinforced during wow week,which is usually the new student's first encounter with the college. During the week before school starts, you do various types of games and activities to get to know other students, and you sit through a series of talks called "distinctives." This is supposed to be where you learn what sets TMC apart from all other colleges, but in reality is thought reform showing everything about TMC as being superior to all other colleges. For instance, when the Restoration Process doctrine is introduced, the spin is TMC is less legalistic than any other college since the students enforce the rules on one another without involving the college. This is of course a huge lie to anyone who knows how the wow staff structure works and how much they actually do micromanage every little thing. MacArthur likes to make the claim the college teaches you to think critically and analytically. However, this is clearly not the case. All subjects, whether business, social sciences, music, technology, science, the arts, are all taught from MacArthur's perspective, and any disagreement will get you confronted, sometimes by several different people, as well as reported to the student life department. In smaller sized classes discussion is encouraged, but only to show comprehension and agreement, and never for the purpose of argument. The lower division classes to meet the general education requirements often have 125 students in the room at a time, and the tests, quizzes, and finals are usually taken on a scantron form with multiple choice and true and false questions. While some of these classes had teachers put trick questions to make it a little harder, it was mostly just a spoonfeed of information that you would learn well enough to be able to choose the right answer on the exams. The degree core classes, which all have to take in a chosen area before they choose an emphasis, are a little harder, but not much different. They tested the same way but did have some essay and paper writing thrown in. Again, your opinions had to go along with what you were taught. True to the cult's drill sargeant motif, many professors showed no mercy and would not take extra time to help you, explain things, or give you extra time on something when you are ill. After all, you cause all your problems yourself through sins, so it's your own fault when things go wrong. On top of all the stress of studying for and attending classes for your major and minor (if you have one), all students must minor in Bible, which I believe was an additional 27 units added to the typical 120 to graduate with a degree. To add to this you must attend two church services, three chapel services, as well as your small groups (dorm bible studies, accountability groups, college church groups, missions groups). None of these things are optional and attendance is tracked. Missing more than 3 church or chapel services in a semester I believe results in a suspension. Adding to this any counseling or restoration currently going on in your life, there is very little time left to yourself. In my opinion this is intentional, as it doesn't leave you any time for critical thinking or for questioning what the cult is teaching you, and as cult expert Steve Hassan has said, one thing cults do is set up a new identity for the person, so that you now have a robotic, cult identity distinct from who you used to be. Sleep deprivation is another practice common in cults.  I'm sure they will argue they don't practice sleep deprivation, but if you look below the surface it is obvious TMC students get less sleep than most students at their age. Classes start as early as 5:30 am and end as late as Midnight, with some lasting as long as 3 hours. While this is true of most colleges, some core classes are scheduled at these odd times. I had to go to singing practice until Midnight as a requirement for my music minor once, and be awake for my bible requirement class that started at 8 am. Because of my minor's crazy scheduling I had to make sure my schedule was for later classes the next semester, but I would still not get back to my room until 9:30 pm at times, and would still have to attend a small group before bedtime. I don't know if things have changed, but many had to pull "all-nighters" frequently to catch up on their work. On top of this, dorms were noisy at night, and some rooms had music on at all hours, despite the rules, and to top it off, you sometimes had to sleep in rooms with up to four people. Learning to sleep around noise is a skill you pick up in this environment. Information and mileu control is another trait common to cults. Many first year students did not have a car and were stuck on campus unless they carpooled with people. Television was not allowed in any dorms or apartments owned by the cult. Also, something a friend of mine brought to my attention shortly before I left, there were no newspaper vendors unlike at most colleges, and neither of the cult's bookstores or coffee shop sold them. So, some had very little idea about current world events. Unless you have a car it really is a cloistered lifestyle. After leaving TMC I transferred to my local junior college to get my AA, so I could transfer to a university. I still had some brainwashing in my head and was expecting the worst. What I saw surprised me. I had to repeat some of the same classes I took at TMC, and the difference was like night and day. The professors seemed to actually care if I understood the concepts and were much friendlier. Even in general education courses they tested using essay and challenged you to think critically. You even had to write papers, and some classes had discussions and debates. You could speak freely about how you believed. There were people of all religions and backgrounds, and you were encouraged to express your own opinion, not just be spoonfed the material. Most classes were capped around 50 students so they weren't too large. Unlike TMC professors, some spoke to me on the phone and would even give me extensions on assignments if I was sick. The classes were tougher, but in a challenging sort of way, to prepare you to think critically in the outside world and be able to succeed in the job market. At the university level, professors taught the material in a way that was practical. I could actually see how I would use the courses for my major in my job. I took a tough course on finance, and one professor stayed an hour after class with me to make sure I understood the concept. At TMC, professors acted like it was your own fault if you didn't understand something, and the knowledge was taught from the cult's perspective mostly using theory with very little example of outside application. So, what could TMC have done differently? Education, in my opinion, should teach students critical thinking and not be a simple spoonfeed and regurgitation of the material. After all, you are preparing to live in the secular world and not residing in or working for a cult your whole life. Companies are looking for people who can think outside of the box, be creative, and respect others opinions even if they disagree with them. If a college, even if Christian, were truly non-denominational, it would welcome views of all different denominations of Christianity. This would allow for some good debate and critical thinking skills to be honed even in the Bible classes, as students can freely tell what they believe and learn how to defend it through apologetics and reasoning. Why can't a Calvinist debate a Pentecostal, or a Presbyterian debate a Methodist? When everyone must believe the same way or remain silent it is not "non-denominational," nor is it critical thinking.  These points, along with the students I saw drop out after their first semester, leads me to question the veracity of the claims the college makes as being one of the top colleges according to US News and World Report. What was the diagnostic criteria used and who did the evaluation? Was it only Christian colleges looked at, religious colleges in general, and how do less sectarian religious schools fare on the list? If anyone has the resources or knowledge to research their claims I would be curious to know. Since MacArthur is now setting up satellite churches and academies, it is now obvious they are a denomination. A step in the right direction would be to admit this. Put "A Lordship Salvation Ministry" under the name of the college as well as the church, and have recruiters give students a packet as well as material that describes explicitly how they differ from the rest of Christianity. Under the Constitution they have the right to believe and teach whatever they want, but they don't have the right to behave anyway they want or be deceptive. Telling people it is not "non-denominational" would definitely be a start to becoming more ethical.
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BJW,

Thank you for sharing this testimony of your time spent enrolled at The Masters College.  You have given a good evaluation of the low level of education students received during your time at TMC, and it would seem to be valid to question how this college could be given such a high ranking from US News and World Report magazine.  After your experience at TMC, you came to the conclusion that it operates more like a cult than an educational institution.  It's certainly radical terminology to label TMC, an accredited institution of higher learning, a cult.  Could you elaborate a bit more on why you have come to this conclusion?  For instance, in addition to the sleep deprivation you mention, was there an element of either physical or emotional abuse that you experienced during your time at TMC?  What made TMC cult-like?            



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The physical and emotional abuse definitely contributes to the college meeting the definition of a cult. For instance, I had rocks thrown at me by students from the roof of one of the dorms. Also, a guy ran his bicycle into my leg knocking me off a path while his girlfriend laughed at me. One time, a guy kicked me in the shins and told me I was going to hell, and basically they did nothing to him but said he was "telling me what I needed to hear. " In all the cases they talked me out of calling the police and asked me to use their "Restoration Process " instead. Since these specific people didn't repeat these things nothing happened to them. The sorry party thing that was a favorite hazing of wow staff, was tried on me twice. The first guy bear hugged me and threw me to the ground but before anything else happened a friend of mine saw it through the blinds and came in and fought them off. Another time the sorry party was tried on me I hid behind a desk but they busted through the door and found me, I had 911 dialed on a cordless phone and threatened to hit send if they didn't stop. So, I managed to get saved both times from the sorry party thing happening to me. When you add the fact you are constantly being asked to repent and confess things, and having your life picked apart constantly, it is definitely a cult like environment. In my first two weeks there I thought I had stepped into an episode of the Twilight Zone. It was unlike anything I had experienced in Christianity before, and I am the son of a minister and had gone to three different denominations prior to attending tmc, although I consider myself non-denominational. I think the college serves as more of a recruitment center for the cult, and to me seems to be more like a religious order than a college, considering the doctrines and rules you have to follow. What they plant in your head about secular education is nothing but a scare tactic, I had better understanding in classes outside of tmc and never witnessed one fight at the two other colleges I went to.
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Hazing is a fairly common tradition in many colleges, but these attacks you describe at The Masters College were criminal acts.  You could have been blinded and possibly even killed by rocks thrown at you from a roof.  And these attacks were of such severity that you felt the need to call the police.  And when you reported these attacks to TMC staff, they not only refused to file a police report or to discipline the students who attacked you (which should have resulted in their expulsion), but they seemed even approving of these physical attacks and stated that "it was what you needed to hear."  Incredible!

I don't understand why you were singled out for these attacks.  Were you in violation of a college rule?  Were you openly blaspheming Jesus Christ?  If a student was in violation of a rule at a secular college, then that student would be disciplined privately by a school administrator.  But you were being attacked publicly and by your fellow students to the point where you needed to call the police.   Were there other incidences at TMC where you suffered this kind of abuse or attack?

And after these physical attacks, the TMC staff talked you out of calling the police in favor of partaking in something called a "Restoration Process."  It sounded like you needed medical attention rather than a restoration process.  Can you explain what this "Restoration Process" involves and why TMC staff urged you to go through this process after you were attacked?  I'm just trying to get a handle on what was going on there and I do appreciate very much your time and patience in giving this testimony.  
         
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You mentioned that the college uses students to discipline other students, so were the physical attacks by other students punishment or reprisal for daring to question the teachings of John MacArthur? Is the WoW staff in charge of student discipline? What exactly is a "sorry party." How does the WoW staff micromanage the students? Also, what happens when a student is reported to the Student Life department for expressing disagreement with MacArthur's teachings? Do many of the WoW counselors go on to the seminary and become pastors in MacArthur's global network?

In a previous post you mentioned the practice of "shunning" which is definitely a practice of cults like the Church of Scientology. Also previously mentioned were student deaths which parents claimed were due to TMC abuse.

Your experiences sound unreal, like Lord of the Flies or other sick horror movie. TMC sounds worse than a religious order, more like a death cult. The following sources on destructive cults seem to describe TMC:

"'Destructive cult' has generally referred to groups whose members have, through deliberate action, physically injured or killed other members of their own group or other people. The Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance limit use of the term to specifically refer to religious groups that 'have caused or are liable to cause loss of life among their membership or the general public.'[101] Psychologist Michael Langone, executive director of the anti-cult group International Cultic Studies Association, defines a destructive cult as 'a highly manipulative group which exploits and sometimes physically and/or psychologically damages members and recruits.'" [102]

101. Robinson, B.A. (July 25, 2007). "Doomsday, destructive religious cults". Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance. Retrieved 2007-11-18.
102. Turner, Francis J.; Arnold Shanon Bloch, Ron Shor (September 1, 1995). Differential Diagnosis & Treatment in Social Work, 4th Edition. Free Press. pp. 1146: Chapter 105: "From Consultation to Therapy in Group Work With Parents of Cultists". ISBN 0-02-874007-6.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult#Destructive_cults

You wrote: "One time, a guy kicked me in the shins and told me I was going to hell, and basically they did nothing to him but said he was "telling me what I needed to hear." Was the person who kicked you a WoW staffer or counselor? I guess these students are taught to assume the place of Christ and you were to receive his prophecy of going to hell and physical punishment as coming from the Lord? Is this the true meaning of "The Masters College" and "Lordship Salvation" -- creating a caste system of "masters" who sit in the judgment seat of Christ and lord it over their "slaves" by punishing and humiliating them?

This reminds me of the master-slave brainwashing in John MacArthur's best-seller, Slave, that Christians are "slaves" of Christ who abuses them like the Roman slave masters abused their slaves in ancient times. John MacArthur's Slave promo pictures the beating of an Egyptian slave while MacArthur explains that "slavery" the Christian's relationship to Jesus Christ:

http://watch.pair.com/slave-trailer.mp4

For info on the unscriptural basis of Slave, see: http://watch.pair.com/macarthur-2-slave-book.html

For example, in his Slave book, MacArthur quotes a homosexual's view of Christianity as the modern equivalent of Roman slavery.

“Dale B. Martin, in Slavery as Salvation, has an important explanation about how Paul’s use of ‘slaves of Christ’ was based not solely on an Old Testament Israelite understanding of slavery to God, but also (and largely) on a Greco-Roman understanding (xvi).”

“Speaking of the abuses of slavery during this time, Dale B. Martin, in Slavery as Salvation, explains that ‘during the early empire, from the time of Augustus to the end of the second century, millions of human beings must have lived in humiliation and destitution, serving the needs and whims, the pleasures and tempers, of other human beings... Owners had the right to bind, torture, or kill their slaves. In literature of the time, one continually comes across the opinion that slave life is the worst imaginable’ (xiii).” (Slave, p. 38)
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Many students disliked me for questioning MacArthur's teachings, but I wasn't living an immoral lifestyle or anything. The worst offence I was probably guilty of was refusing to go on a missions trip for them or shun my father. Some disliked me for liking rock music, but I wasn't the only one there that did.

The sorry party thing was done to students quite frequently whenever a student would irritate them (wow staff) over something. They considered it a prank but it was pretty painful, especially if the people doing it put all their weight on someone. It starts where a guy grabs a person in a bear hug and drops to the floor with him, throwing the person down to their backs. Then, the person is dogpiled by about 4 or 5 other people on top of the original person. I heard some complain of hurting ribs afterwards, but none ever reported it.

Wow staff decided to hold a meeting in the cafeteria once, and I wasn't finished eating, so one of them grabbed me by the lapel on my shirt and shoved me out the door, locking me out. That was another thing I reported that they did nothing about.

As for the restoration process, if a student does something bad to you, supposedly you are to try to settle it with them personally the first offense. If they do it again you report it to student life. Then, after the third time they are to be shunned. The problem with this is it does no good to try this on anyone deemed more mature than you are, as the college sides with them first everytime. Also, their own wow staffers never followed this rule, they reported everything in weekly meetings about each student. Occasionally they would make slip ups and tell things to you they could have only learned from these meetings or nouthetic counseling files.

The problem is you are not allowed to use outside justice with fellow members, and the justice system they use internally is structured the same as the nouthetic counseling with you getting shunned frequently because they pool their resources to prove you have done more than 3 offenses. So, you can see they make things sound good on paper, but they are always able to make the rules work to their advantage. Basically, it is an environment where you learn real fast that you cannot disagree with or question anything that is taught.

I too agree there needs to be a better discipline system in place, especially one that doesn't only favor the college. Most colleges would not give this type of behavior 3 chances.
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bjw,

You said, "The worst offence I was probably guilty of was refusing to go on a missions trip for them or shun my father."  They told you to shun your own father?  I guess according to their restoration rules your father must have committed 3 offences against you.  Can I ask who told you to shun your father and why? 


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It was actually John MacArthur who told me to break off ties with my father. His exact words were, "I know you love your dad, but it is time you made a choice." This was during my meeting with him because he was concerned when word got to him about the books my dad was sending me, some of which debunked lordship theology. He was careful with how he worded it, but that was the normal thing to do when someone disagreed with the doctrine.

Kids separating from their families over the church was something I saw quite often, and the kids would say things like their parents just don't understand, or believed in a watered down salvation belief. Not only did I find this the most sad part of this cult, but probably the most dangerous.

As for wow staff, they meet every week to discuss what they learn about the students and to decide what to do about problems. Some of the things they did they tried to be subtle, but one came and ate with me in the cafeteria once and I just met him, yet I found he knew things about me I never told him, and he started asking me about my views of salvation.

What watchpray says sounds pretty accurate. I'll tell you about the 4 deaths I mentioned. Ken Nally died long before I got there, but I heard he was a Catholic that converted to GCC because he heard about the counseling and thought it could help his depression. This was way back in 1978, and I believe Nally died by shooting himself. His parents filed a malpractice suit against GCC, which basically ended the same as Scientology's infamous Lisa MacPherson trial, since courts cannot rule against religious freedom, and religious rights guarantee you can reject medical treatment for religious healing if it is your belief. MacArthur made a public statement to the NY Times following winning the lawsuit that GCC would reform their practices. I'm not sure what they reformed, as the only thing different about nouthetic counseling when I did it was the suicide and injury waiver you had to sign beforehand. My counselor and witness were both interns, but I still had to sign the contract.

Angelica Ericsson was the daughter of a retired basketball player from the Lakers who was both a GCC member and a student at TMC. Her dad was a good friend of MacArthur. She was active in the GCC program of making baskets for the homeless and was very involved in community outreach. She was struggling with depression and I heard even her friends didn't realize it. She was found one morning in her room at Oaktree having taken a heroine overdose. To my knowledge the girl's family did not blame GCC for the death. I was actually there when this happened, and it left students in disbelief, many concerned if she went to heaven or not. This prompted MacArthur to do a special chapel saying all the good Angelica did for the church and that she commited suicide in a moment of weakness, but did go to heaven. What bothered me at the time was them telling me I was going to hell for reading the wrong books and liking rock music, but this girl commited suicide with an illegal drug and went to heaven. I did feel sorry for Angelica, but this angered me. One thing was during my appointmentwith MacArthur he told me, based on questions he asked me, he thought I was saved. This was good ammo against the harassment for a few days, but it didn't last long.

If you go to the threads about missions and the original John MacArthur thread I mentioned Natalie Dyk. She was killed while on a missions trip for them, and the family did not blame the church. I knew Natalie when I was there, but I didn't find out about the death until reading about it in the Master's Current. The cult's article mentioned notes in her journal about something a lordship evangelist named Ray Comfort said. It's actually a sad story. The Ray Comfort sermon was called "Leave Your Comfort Zone" where he said those who do not leave their comfort zone to go on a missions trip are unsaved. While I can't quote it word for word, I know this was the main jist of the sermon.
The last death that happened recently was Paul Sang. Watchmanwakes gave a good post on this in the original John MacArthur thread. Tatlock sent an email to all alumni as well as the press saying Sang died during a wow week activity, resulting in an accident while digging a hole in the sand on the beach, being trapped when the waves came in. The parents sued claiming he was filming a video for use by the college and was told to film students from the hole. It will be interesting to see how this plays out and what really happened.

I hope I answered your questions, if there is anything you would like clarified just let me know.


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Bjw,

Thanks very much for that information.  So The Masters College  wow-staff was aware of the Christian books your father was mailing you and because this literature debunked the doctrine of "Lordship Salvation," word was sent to John Macarthur.  Then John Macarthur told you that you needed to cut ties with your father. 

It sounds like one job of TMC wow staff was to spy on and compile dossier's on the students for Macarthur.  And requiring you to cut ties with your father is a clear sign of a destructive cult. 

The article, Characteristics Associated with Cultic Groups, gives a list of behaviors and patterns commonly found in cults.  One behavior on the list states, "Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group."

It sounds that you were subjected to abuse and physical attacks at TMC simply because you adhered to biblical doctrine and refused to compromise God's word for Lordship Salvation--also because you were unwilling to leave your "comfort zone" to go on a missions trip. BTW, not all Christians have been called to be missionaries.

I will see if I can post that comment next about the tragic death of Paul Sang, TMC student.   

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The following was posted by "Las Vegas Personal Injury Blog" on January 14, 2013:

"The parents of an exchange student from Seoul, South Korea, who died while allegedly following instructions to make a promotional video for his school, have filed Tuesday a wrongful death lawsuit against The Master’s College and Seminary before a Los Angeles Superior Court.

"According to the lawsuit, Mingyu 'Paul' Sang died on August 22 when a hole dug on a beach collapsed on him as he was taking video footage of the Christian college for online promotions. Aside from The Master’s College and Seminary, which is located in Placerita Canyon Road in Santa Clarita, his mother, Guem Cho, and father, Young Sam, named as co-defendants Chapel Media, and David Tuck, who they claim was in charge of making the video.

"As contended in the complaint, the defendants told Paul Sang to dig a hole in the sand and then film other students from inside it. He did. However, the weight of the students standing around the hole made the surrounding sand collapse, smothering and killing him. Afterwards,  as alleged, '(w)idespread panic ensued, but defendants had no proper emergency personnel in place.'

"On the part of The Master’s College and Seminary, an earlier statement released to the press about Paul Sang’s death, reads: 'Students from The Master’s College were participating in a recreational trip to the beach on Wednesday afternoon. At approximately 4:50 p.m., one of our students was involved in an accident. The student had been digging in the sand when he became trapped. The Ventura County fire department was called. The student was rescued and transported to the hospital where he was later pronounced dead.'

"Officials from the Oxnard Fire Department, which responded to the emergency call, said that Sang was found lying face-up at the bottom of a 6- to 8-foot hole. Rescuers using hand tools, including 5-gallon buckets and shovels, took about 15 minutes before they were able to extricate him from the sand pit. He was immediately taken to the hospital in Ventura with CPR in progress, but the efforts failed to revive him. Sang was pronounced dead at Ventura County Medical Center. According to the Ventura County Coroner, he died from mechanical asphyxia, meaning he had outside force compressing on his chest. Oxnard police officials said there will be no further investigation into Sang’s death."

If the allegations made in this lawsuit are true, then Paul Sang was prompted by The Masters College's personnel in charge of this trip to lie at the bottom of this very large hole face up in order to film his fellow students who were standing around the hole.  Their weight then caused the walls of sand to collapse around Paul which suffocated him.  

Whereas I see the allegations made in the lawsuit to be believable, I don't see The Masters College's response "The student had been digging in the sand when he became trapped" to be believable at all.  And if video exists from Paul Sang's camera, then it would prove that he was already lying on his back on the bottom of a large hole when it collapsed.

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The Master's College has a campus in Israel that is named IBEX:

“The Israel Bible EXtension program, called ‘IBEX’, is The Master’s College (TMC) extension program in Israel.”  (IBEX)

In the Old Testament the Hebrew word for “wild goat” refers to the IBEX:

Strong’s #3277. יָעֵל ya`el

from 3276; an ibex (as climbing):—wild goat.

The ibex is larger than the common goat and its horns are much longer, sometimes more than a yard in length and curved, like the long-horned Baphomet which Freemasons worship as the bisexual human-goat god of fertility. This is the same horned fertility god invoked by Wiccans flashing their Satanic hand signs at Camp Regeneration.

The Baphomet is also worshiped by Satanists like the Hardcore, Deathcore and Black Metal bands. One Black Metal band called Ibex Throne made an album which displays the Baphomet on the cover:

ibex-throne.jpg 

Ibex Throne has openly declared that their songs are not music but warfare against religion and humanity.
The first song on the Ibex Throne album is “Anti-Christian Warfare”— the same warfare that is being waged globally by Freemasonry, Wiccans, Satanists and all pagan religions against Jesus Christ and His Church.

Why would John MacArthur give his college in Israel the name of IBEX, a wild goat with great horns like the Baphomet?  Jews living in Israel surely know what “IBEX” means. Freemasons like John MacArthur's great grandfather worshiped the the horned goat god, the Baphomet. And John MacArthur has stated that his global ministry is the fruit of his Masonic great grandfather's ministry. (John MacArthur & Freemasonry) So is the IBEX campus of TMC in Israel dedicated to the horned goat god of Freemasonry?

Ezekiel 34 describes the great horned he goats as fouling the pastures of the Lord's sheep and also abusing the sheep.

Ezekiel 34
11  For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
12  As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day...
15  I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.
16  I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.
17  And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.
18  Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?
19 And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.
20  Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle.
21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;
22 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.

The Lord Jesus, the Great Shepherd of the Sheep, will separate His sheep from the goats at the final judgment:

Matthew 25
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left...
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

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A recent issue of The Master’s Moment newsletter advertises TMC rankings on 3 different lists: Forbes, US News and World Report, and a blog called the Christian-Post Secondary Education.

According to The Master’s Moment, “TMC Ranks #1 in Overall Student Happiness.” 

I checked out the various rankings of TMC and found the following:

Forbes Top Colleges ranked The Master's College & Seminary as #302 of 650 America's Top Colleges,
#218 in Private Colleges and #58 in the West.

Rankings of #302, #218 and #58 do not sound like a "top" college to me. Here are the statistics:

http://www.forbes.com/colleges/the-masters-college-and-seminary/

  • Student Population: 1,534
  • Undergraduate Population: 1,134
  • Student to Faculty Ratioa: 9
  • Total Annual Costc: $42,147
  • In-State Tuitionc: $28,800
  • Out-of-State Tuitionc: $28,800
  • Percent on Financial Aidd: 99%
  • Percent Admittede: 61%
  • SAT Composite Rangef: 960-1230
  • ACT Composite Rangef: 22-27

Forbes Lists

#302 Overall

  • #218 in Private Colleges
  • #58 in the West

Forbes Financial Grade: C

The Christian-Post Secondary Education group, which is two faculty members of the Univ. of Northern Iowa
, took the top CCCU member colleges from the Forbes list and TMCS came in #10. They also "showed TMC to be #2 for students who graduate with the least debt" even though Forbes gave TMCS a financial grade of "C". Their rating scheme seems to be an example of how to lie with statistics. Somehow 71% of students graduating with an average $19k debt does not seem like a "happiness" factor.

The CCCU is the Council for Christian Colleges, an accrediting agency for Christian colleges which is funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, a major funder of Planned Parenthood and population control, and The John Templeton Foundation which funds the World Parliament of Religions.

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/cult-scp2.html#cccu

The CCCU is also funded by the Fieldstead Foundation of the late Howard Fieldstead Ahmanson who served on the Governing Board of the Council for National Policy. The CNP was founded by members of the globalist, left-wing Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) for the purpose of determining the policies of Christian conservatives, and coordinating and funding Christian right projects. CNP membership is comprised of prominent Evangelical leaders, CFR members, Freemasons, Knights of Malta, Unification Church, Nazis, Ku Klux Klan, Scientologists, and other global elites and Satanic cults.

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/cnp.html

So the criteria for accreditation used by the CCCU can hardly be said to be the Word of God.

U.S. News & World Report ranked TMC #5 in theRegional College West Rankings” category. US News Best College Rankings are determined by the Carnegie Classification of the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching (CFAT) in 2010.

About CFAT, the following is an excerpt from our expose of Charter Schools which are funded by the private foundations of multinational corporations, which are also funding global eugenics, and promoted by Evangelical leaders like James Dobson and other members of the secretive Council for National Policy (CNP), which is a front for the CFR:

"In February of 1996, Focus on the Family’s Teachers in Focus magazine featured James Dobson's interview of the late Ernest Boyer , who was president of the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching (CFAT) at Princeton University and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). Ernest Boyer also served as the Ready to Learn [early childhood] Resource Group Convener for Goals 2000's National Education Goals Panel [1992, 1993, 1994] representing the CFAT. In 1990, CFAT developed a public school curriculum, "Living with Our Deepest Differences: Religious Liberty in a Pluralistic Society" as a direct result of a document known as the Williamsburg Charter of 1988.

"The Williamsburg Charter was “a renewed national compact, in the sense of a solemn mutual agreement between parties...a call to a vision of public life that will allow conflict to lead to consensus...” 7. signed by more than 200 leading representatives of government, academia, religion, business, law, media and other groups. The Williamsburg Charter called for public school reform in the area of teaching values and comparative religion. Signatories of the Charter included such unlikely bedfellows as Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Sen. Strom Thurmond, Norman Lear (founder, People for the American Way), Walter Cronkite, Vernon E. Jordan, Jr., Mrs. Coretta Scott King, J. Willard Marriott, Henry Luce III and many evangelical leaders:

Dr. Os Guinness, Executive Director, The Williamsburg Charter Foundation
Mrs. Phyllis Schlafly (CNP), President, Eagle Forum ( Eagle Forum is an NGO with Special Consultative Status at the United Nations)
Dr. Adrian Rogers, President, Southern Baptist Convention (NGO of the UN)
Dr. John H. White, President, National Association of Evangelicals (NGO of the UN)
Dr. James C. Dobson (CNP), President, Focus on the Family
Dr. Robert P. Dugan, Jr. (CNP), Director of Public Affairs, National Association of Evangelicals; Trustee, Williamsburg Charter Foundation
Mr. James Dunn, Jr., Executive Director, Baptist Joint Committee
Mr. Samuel Ericsson, Executive Director, Christian Legal Society
Mr. Jerry P. Regier, President, Family Research Council (NGO of the UN)
Mr. Howard F. Ahmanson (CNP), Jr., President, Fieldstead & Company
Mr. Edwin Feulner (CNP), President, The Heritage Foundation
Mr. Ben Armstrong, Executive Director, National Religious Broadcasters, an affiliate of the National Association of Evangelicals/NAE"

http://watch.pair.com/charter2.html#dobson

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Watch-Pray,

In your comment debunking The Master's College's "happiness" ranking you mention the secretive Council for National Policy (CNP).  You state:

"The CNP was founded by members of the globalist, left-wing Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) for the purpose of determining the policies of Christian conservatives, and coordinating and funding Christian right projects. CNP membership is comprised of prominent Evangelical leaders, CFR members, Freemasons, Knights of Malta, Unification Church, Nazis, Ku Klux Klan, Scientologists, and other global elites and Satanic cults."

It's a well kept secret that John Macarthur's church's principal financier is Lorena Jaeb (through the Believer's Foundation which she owns and controls).  Why is this secret well kept?  Because according to available membership lists, Lorena Jaeb was/is a Governor of the Council for National Policy. 

John Macarthur is the Director of The Master's Academy International (TMAI) which is his international "leadership training" ministry.  Lorena Jaeb is the wife of the late Robert Jaeb, TMAI's founding visionary.  After TMAI was exposed for partnering with foreign governments and after the Jaeb's were exposed for their globalist affiliations, all mention of Robert Jaeb was removed from the TMAI website.  T
o learn more read the article at the link below:


http://www.thewatchmanwakes.com/John-Macarthur-TMAI-Money-Trail-Jaeb-CNP.html

Who knew John Macarthur's principal financier was/is a Governor of the Council for National Policy?  And who understands its implications?  
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The Masters College Must Comply with LGBTQ Bill

On page 36 of The Master's College's 2012 990 form for tax year 2011, it shows two tax-exempt bond issues for $16,000,000 and $14,000,000 to renovate the campus.  The public (State of California) is loaning the money to expand TMC into university status.  To get tax-exempt bond issue loans at low interest, the institution must serve the public.  There is no way Macarthur and The Masters University can resist complying with the LGBT Bill now sitting on the Governor's desk.  (Not that they have any intention or motivation to resist it.) 

This is the LGBT Bill SB-1146 on the Governor's desk to become law. 

California Statewide Communities Development Authority is the issuer of the bonds. 

"It is the policy of the California Statewide Communities Development Authority (the "Authority") to consider favorably the issuance of bonds, notes or other evidences of indebtedness (the "Bonds") for the financing or refinancing of higher educational facilities to be utilized by a non-profit organization (the "Applicant") provided that the Applicant does not discriminate on the basis of a student or teacher’s national or ethnic origin, disability, race, creed, color, sexual preference or religion in the administration of its admission or hiring policies."
 
Having been expanded by and helped with development and refinancing by public money- there is NO possible resistance from Macarthur or TMC to things like the LGBTQ agenda - or any other progressive policy.

No wonder Macarthur embraces the Slave ideology.  He is one.  The love of money is the root of all evil.  To whom we yield our members to serve- we are it's slaves.  Greed and pride are ugly taskmasters.  Thinking he is mastering Christians HE is the one who has been mastered / owned. 
 
 
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Thus, the true reason MacArthur spoke at the summit alongside Trump and Palin and is fighting this bill is revealed.  It is all about greed and has nothing to do with "Christ and scripture."  A $30 million bond issue to help hedge the lavish speding they have been doing on the grounds, including the "Legacy Room" museum to honor MacArthur meanwhile students and members are being constantly hounded to give more money.  I still receive mailings and they always make it sound so urgent that you send something.  In the e-mails they tried to drum up sympathy for the students applying for Cal Grants, when we know they will continue raising tuition anyways.

In addition to LGBTQ, the religion issue is on there as well.  Can the college still be used as a front group to convert students to the ministry and away from their current church to a church that accepts lordship salvation?  This brings up a lot of issues, and reveals the true greed behind all the mailings that have been going out lately.  Things will definitely have to change for the cult to receive any bond money, cal grant, or tax exempt funding.
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It would be interesting to know if someone in that area could get records from the police department where TMS and TMC are located and see how many times students have called the police for harassment, assaults, just anything in regards to this seminary. I am willing to bet to many. I wish I lived in that area it would be interesting to research.
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That would be interesting to know.  And don't forget Grace Community Church as well.  I believe it would be difficult for any victim to get the LAPD to act on their complaint however.  The reason I say this is because Macarthur has very close ties with the police and basically has them on his payroll. (See Macarthur's Police/Military).  You can also see a video here of Macarthur honoring the police at his church. 
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Based on what I have read about LAPD and Hollywood it wouldn't surprise me at all . Pastor Ken has also surrounded himself with former police officers and men with strong military / government ties. Even if they didn't act on complaints the complaints should be documented. According to FEMLA (Freedom of Information Act) any citizen should be able to request those public records. I would be interested to know just how many complaints have been filed against JM church, schools, and ministries. If there is even one there's more because we are  figuring out what type of people Christians are dealing with. It's a corrupt church system and clearly your research reflects this along with others.
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Pastor Ken [Ramey] has also surrounded himself with former police officers and men with strong military / government ties.


Now why would ex-police officers and men with strong military / government ties find Ken Ramey worthy of their association? 
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Watchman I don't know why. If I did know I would post it. Look at Noramco in Montgomery texas and who are the three key operators of that shipping and trading company? They are all elders I believe at lakeside and are in the structure of lbc corporation. I was told fred sabins owns a technology company directly involved in the biggest oil spill in US history. Fred sabins was found to not be truthful in a civil lawsuit and removed as an expert witness and up until recently fred was the head counselor at lbc. Watch deep water horizon that just came out its about that oil spill. Anyways I'm still reading up on Mr. Sabins it seems like ken surrounds himself with interesting people.
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Would these kinds of men have ties to Ken Ramey if he wasn't a loyal soldier in Macarthur's organization?   

I do see the military connection at Noramco which just happens to be located right next door to Lakeside Bible Church. 
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Yes watchman you got it. Also Tom Walters an elder he owns a technology company that deals in eye scans , prints maybe even rid chips. He may be part owner but again it is very telling and a little scary.
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There are a lot of retired military in the Macarthur affiliate leadership. Of course they are very fraternal and make for loyal elders. Things is by the bylaws these churches use (see Truth CCs here http://s3.amazonaws.com/churchplantmedia-cms/truth_community_church/2014-04-15-tcc_bylaws.pdf ) page 7 and 8 - the "Membership" they offer is NOT membership at all. I know because this was the outcome of with our church from the Macarthur fold. We were told that financial business of the church was none of our business as members during persistent questions about a very expensive building project . The head elder was /is a retired military guy who works for a military contractor . He handled his position in very underhanded ways including changing the email address for the elder council mid stream of the issues. No one should join churches who are unwilling to be open about their books nor should they sign covenants which deceptively offer membership that is actuality NOT membership at all.Once you ask the wrong questions about where your high pressure obtained dollars are going- the cult - style- Scientology tactis and the teeth come out. From what we can see it is Macarthurs regime that has created this problem with the churches following him . The amazing thing to is that these churches ARE going into Government  partnerships in funding like Rick Warren and the people in the pews would never believe it.Our church was once a VERY gospel centered fellowship with people being saved and maturing - now it simply espouses doctrine  that it is not living and is appears dwindling to insolvency . One of the Macarthur pastors from our area lead a 9000 member church to 600- he now teaches future pastor at Masters. That is a bit of  a sick joke on all of us perhaps .
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They certainly sound like the same kind of guys here in Birmingham- Paranoia is epidemic among these disciples. Sad to to watch people live under this kind of thing but it is in part of their own making with the leaders at least.
There should be nothing going on in a Biblical /faithful congregation leadership that would need to be hidden - or should cause this heavy handed leadership be required. Only something needing to be hidden makes for this climate in God's House.
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A few observations regarding jojo's last post...

The ministry does function as a giant intelligence gathering operation with a pyramid shaped structure, meaning that people are reporting upward everything they learn about other members with the info getting funneled further and further to the top.  They do this to stop potential troublemakers as well as to keep members under tight control.  This is accomplished through the counseling and mentoring, as well as the various small groups and elder structure (wow staff structure if in the college).  

You mention Ken Ham and the creationist ministry, and I would like to know if anyone has any news as to their current relationship with MacArthur and his ideology.

I used to subscribe to Creation magazine until one month it arrived and there was an article written by John MacArthur as well as two advertisements inside for TMC.  I immediately cancelled my membership as I do not want to support anyone who is giving lordship ministries a forum.  I have always felt MacArthur has only used the creationist platform to convert people to the cult and has manipulated TMC's science department for this purpose.  I assumed when I saw the magazine that Ken Ham was completely on board with the cult, but could it be that MacArthur is only paying the magazine for exposure?

TMC is using a bait and switch con on these Ken Ham supporters by telling them that since they believe in a literal six day creation, they must also take the Bible literally on matters of salvation, thus insinuating that GCC is the only church that does.  The scary part is young students thinking they are entering a legitimate pre-med or other science degree will get roped into a lifetime of slavery.  I am sure there are other colleges that don't teach evolution but still offer a well rounded four year science degree.  So, don't get me wrong, I don't believe in Darwinism, but I think this may be an attempt at using well intentioned people to promote a bad agenda.
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Ken Ham has been to Lakeside Bible Church in Montgomery as a guest speaker a few years ago. Ken Ramey is a Macarthur seminary graduate from TMS. He took over LBC members from walden community church and operates just like Grace Community Church. I don't know Dr. Ken Ham's heart however if he is associating with John Macarthur knowing he's a Lordship Salvation and 5 point Calvinist pastor then I doubt Mr. Ham is ignorant to their teachings. I find it suspect that he allowed Macarthur to write anything in his creation magazine considering what MacArthur is preaches and teaches. When millions of dollars are involved with christian men in power to me everyone is suspect. I'm sorry but even in little ole LBC if you follow the money all is not well in that place they call a church. I don't fault all the members there because there are some who have not opened their eyes because they are being slowly indoctrinated and love bombed. Pastor Ramey has a system that sucks you in. It's kind of like that song Hotel California 

And she said, 'we are all just prisoners here, of our own device
And in the master's chambers
They gathered for the feast
They stab it with their steely knives
But they just can't kill the beast

Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
'Relax' said the night man
'We are programmed to receive
You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave!

There is a lot of truth to this song and you don't have to be confined in a hellish looking place or locked in physically. You can be locked in emotionally and it's the same thing. Remember Lucifer is an angel of light so he is going to appear beautiful, innocent, kind, and i'm certain that he is sitting in a lot of places we call churches. 

Read more: Hotel California Lyrics - The Eagles | MetroLyrics 
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the "Membership" they offer is NOT membership at all. I know because this was the outcome of with our church from the Macarthur fold. We were told that financial business of the church was none of our business as members during persistent questions about a very expensive building project.


Truth Community Church By-Laws:

Section 2. Members of the Church

The Corporation as a legal entity shall have no members. However, at

the discretion of the Board of Elders, the Corporation may use the term

“member” for those who agree to the membership covenant of the church.

“Member” in that sense shall refer only to affiliation with the spiritual

purposes of the church and shall not confer any legal privilege to act in

a corporate capacity, vote for the election of corporate officers, participate

in any decision on corporate dissolution or the disposition of corporate

assets, or participate in any decision on changes to the Corporation’s Articles,

By-laws, or Confession of Faith.

Section 3. Membership Privileges

Church membership shall not vest anyone with any voting or proprietary

rights in the Corporation, but shall only entitle the church member to

participate in a meeting of church members on those matters that the Board

of Elders chooses to submit to the church membership for participation or

affirmation.

Section 7. Responsibilities of Members

Church members shall regularly attend the scheduled worship services of

the church, support the church financially as their means allow, pray for the

leadership and ministries of the church, exercise their spiritual gifts for the

mutual benefit of all the church body, cultivate biblical godliness in their

homes and private lives, and manifest biblical submission to the elders.
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Though legally Truth Community Church has no members, the elders have still mandated that these "none members" obey them and support them financially.

 

 




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The Masters Seminary has a branch in Washington, DC. (L)   

In the Master's Seminary history it's stated that TMS originally was an extension of Talbot Seminary:

"In 1977, Talbot Theological Seminary helped bring partial fruition to that goal by initiating an extension center on the campus of Grace Church." 

It's noteworthy that the Dean Emeritus of Talbot Seminary in 1977 was Rabbi Charles Feinberg, John Macarthur's spiritual mentor.   

Of interest, one of the four original faculty members of TMS was Irv Busenitz (also a Jew?) whose son, Nathan, wrote Macarthur's most despicable book, Slave, which attempts, by citing numerous heretical sources, to "prove" that Christians are merely slaves.   

It also bears repeating that Macarthur's son-in-law, Kory Welch, produced a video to promote his father-in-law's Slave book which not only incorporated the Masonic all-seeing eye of Horus, but also depicted an Egyptian master holding a flail over his slave. 

Jesus Christ came to set the captives free while John Macarthur's ministers are busy enslaving them once again. 
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Isn't Talbot also affiliated with Biola?  If so, it's ironic since TMC students used to make fun of them all the time when I was going there.
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Talbot is Biola's seminary.  As you know, Macarthur graduated from Talbot and attended Talbot because of his father's close relationship with its Dean, Rabbi Charles Feinberg, who personally tutored him.  Also, the Chairman of the Board of Biola from 1928-32 was Charles Fuller.  Macarthur's father, Jack, founded the organization which started Fuller Seminary.

I suppose few know that The Master's Seminary started as Talbot/Biola's extension school. 

One could read more about this history here.
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Why would John MacArthur give his college in Israel the name of IBEX, a wild goat with great horns like the Baphomet?  Jews living in Israel surely know what “IBEX” means. Freemasons like John MacArthur's great grandfather worshiped the the horned goat god, the Baphomet. And John MacArthur has stated that his global ministry is the fruit of his Masonic great grandfather's ministry. (John MacArthur & Freemasonry) So is the IBEX campus of TMC in Israel dedicated to the horned goat god of Freemasonry?


Great questions!  Without doubt Macarthur wasn't ignorant when he named the TMC (sorry TMU) Israel campus IBEX. 
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