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I don't believe John MacArthur is a Freemason, neither is he a druid. Of course, he undeniably inherits the pagan traditions from his forefathers, i.e., he insists Christmas is celebrating Christ's birth, and Easter is celebrating Christ's Resurrection. However, we should not accuse John MacArthur for his Masonic fathers or relatives; even Abraham's father was an idol worshiper, and Gideon's father worshipped Baal and Asherah! John MacArthur might not even know his forefathers had anything to do with Freemasonry.

Freemasons are everywhere and controlling the world. Even KJV is a Masonic Bible, and we should not accuse those who read KJV demonic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_p6fbi32dQ

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Disciple, this discussion is based on a 13 part expose written by me which I should have identified more clearly at the beginning of the thread:

John MacArthur: Mainstreaming Paganism in the Christian Church
http://watch-unto-prayer.org/macarthur-0-mainstream-pagan.html

If you have not read the entire expose may I ask that you read at least the first 10 sections. I believe that Christians have a right to know what their leaders are doing behind the scenes and not rely on outward appearances. My ministry is to research and publish documented facts so they will make informed decisions about the leaders and ministries they are following. In my research I have found much evidence that John MacArthur promotes heresy and paganism--in his books, videos, teachings, and even in his personal testimony where he stated that his ministry is the fruit of his great grandfather's ministry. Of course he did not disclose that his great grandfather was a Freemason, but if I was able to find a full page tribute to Grand Master Thomas Fraser Fullerton of the PEI Grand Lodge on the internet and connect him to John MacArthur's testimony in several places, I find it hard to believe that in all of his 70+ years neither John MacArthur nor anyone in his family (including his ancestors) nor anyone in his worldwide ministry is aware of his famous ancestor being a high level Mason and bothered to inform him of this problematical fact.

Frankly, if John MacArthur were tried in a court of law, there would be enough circumstantial evidence to convict him of being a Freemason. Of course, Masonry is not illegal and Masons never divulge their membership, so what can Christians do except gather circumstantial evidence in order to make informed judgments about their leaders?  And this is precisely what the Lord Jesus warned us to do when he said BEWARE of false prophets and that we would have to judge them by their FRUIT. Which means we will never have "proof" of their membership in a secret society dedicated to destroying Christianity, so we must examine all of the evidence at our disposal and make an informed decision, because our eternal destiny depends on fleeing from such deceivers. (Matt. 7) 

So I'm not sure if you have read all of the expose which others on this forum have read, which may explain why you objected to our conclusions. If you haven't, I hope you will do so. And may God bless you and lead you into all truth, as He has promise to do.





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Freemasons are everywhere and controlling the world. Even KJV is a Masonic Bible, and we should not accuse those who read KJV demonic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_p6fbi32dQ


I would like to answer the charges that the KJV is a Masonic Bible and King James was a Freemason. The evidence presented in the video is an article on a Masonic website. The article quotes a History of the Ancient Masonic Lodge of Scoon and Perth which was published in 1898. This Masonic source references a Contract of Mutual Agreement of 1658 which it admits has no basis in fact:

"Note that the Contract or Mutual Agreement is the only record of this initiation, that this history was commissioned by the lodge to establish its claims of precedence, and there is no primary source documentation."

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/james_vi/james_vi.html

In 1894, the Quatuor Coronati Lodge of the
United Grand Lodge of England called the allegation that King James was initiated apocryphal, which means fictitious, made up, fabricated!!...

"Edward Macbean claims that the initiation of James VI, King of Scotland, is apocryphal, 2 and it must be noted that there is no primary source documentation.

"2. 'The Master Masons to the Crown of Scotland,' Edward Macbean [Junior Warden of Quatuor Coronati Lodge]: '...we may remark that the reception of the Scottish King is generally considered apocryphal.' Ars Quatuor Coronatorum, vol. vii, London : 1894. p. 105."

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/james_vi/agreement.html

No doubt the Grand Lodge of England was well aware of King James antipathy toward the occult societies, for he prosecuted witches and Rosicrucians, the precursors of the Masons in his day. King James' personal writings also rebut the charge that he was a Freemason. The Demonologie was a treatise he wrote against witchcraft and witches to inform his subjects about witchcraft and protect them from its diabolical practices.

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/daemon.html

The You Tube video which claims the KJV is Masonic also references the patriarchal genealogies in the 1611 King James Bible as evidence, claiming that they contain "Masonic handshakes."  However, a close look at these genealogies reveals that the so-called "Masonic handshakes" always link husbands and their wives. In fact, they are not Masonic handshakes at all but symbols traditionally found on tombstones which denote marital union.

“Hands are found on many gravestones...Handshakes may be farewells to earthly existence or may be clasped hands of a couple to be reunited in death as they were in life, their devotion to each other not destroyed by death.” (Tombstone Rubbings)

"If you look a little more closely, you will notice the sleeve attached to one hand is feminine, and the sleeve attached to the other hand is masculine. These hands, carved in this way, symbolize holy matrimony." (Cemetary Symbolism: Clasped Hands)

http://blog.southerngraves.net/2009/08/clasped-hands-devil-is-in-details.html

The "clasped hands" in the 1611 genealogies show the marriages of Adam and Eve, Abraham and Sarah, Abraham and Hagar, Isaac and Rebecca, Jacob and his wives, Leah and Rebecca, Judah and Tamar, Joseph and Asenath, Moses and Zipporah, David and Michal, Abigail, and Bathsheba, Naomi and Elimelech, Boaz and Ruth, Hosea and Gomer, and Joseph and Mary. Were they all Masons???

This very deceptive video then goes on to compare verses in the KJV to modern versions without stating that they are translated from two different Greek texts -- the Textus Receptus (1516) from which all Reformation Bibles were translated and the 1881 New Greek Text of Westcott and Hort who were British occultists with an agenda to corrupt the English Bible. These facts are well documented in primary source documents, The Life and Letters of B.F. Westcott and The Life and Letters of F.H.A. Hort

More documentation is presented in the following reports:

The 19th Century Occult Revival: The Legacy of Westcott & Hort
http://watch-unto-prayer.org/occult.html

Another Bible, Another Gospel
http://watch-unto-prayer.org/another.html

The doctrinal corruptions in modern versions are documented here:

Tables of Comparison of Selected Scriptures Affecting Fundamental Doctrines of the Christian Faith
http://watch-unto-prayer.org/scripture.html

John MacArthur promotes the modern bible versions which are based on a corrupted Greek Text compiled by two British occultists. And a graduate of his college can offer no better arguments for modern versions than the pack of lies about King James and the KJV presented in the above You Tube video! 

I strongly recommend that those who accept John MacArthur's words without question pray that the Holy Spirit show you the truth about MacArthur, about Bible translations, about everything you have been taught at TMC, TMS, TMAI and GCC. 
Then do your own personal research using primary source documents instead of putting your trust in a man or, God forbid, a video. Research everything you hear or read and PRAY about everything, that the Holy Spirit will lead you into ALL TRUTH. (John 16:13)

"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD." Jeremiah 17:5

 



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Watch-Pray,

Thank you for your most excellent refutation of "Disciple's" false claims that the King James Bible is a Masonic Bible and that King James was a Mason.  You are also correct in stating that John Macarthur and his ministers will only use and promote the modern corrupt bible versions (ESV, NASB, NIV, NLT).  Thanks for giving the links to those articles which can serve to educate Christians who have been deceived into believing that the modern bible versions are God's word.  I strongly urge all followers of John Macarthur to read the articles at the links given by Watch-Pray in order to learn the truth about the bible version you are trusting.   
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StarrJ,

I'll try to address some of your concerns and comments.

Freemasonry

It's possible that Macarthur isn't a Freemason, but it's very unlikely given the amount of circumstantial evidence.  Let me give just one piece of this evidence. 

The Masonic Grand Lodge of Canada quoted John Macarthur in their March 2014 quarterly letter to their District Deputy Grand Masters.  Macarthur's statement in this Grand Lodge Communique expressed the philosophy of Freemasonry as stated by the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Canada.  The Masonic axiom stated by Macarthur was, "It's not what you are that's important, the issue is what you are willing to become."  To quote John Macarthur: Freemason from Watch Unto Prayer ministry:

"John MacArthur seems to require no introduction in this widely distributed Communiqué to the Masonic leadership in Canada.  He is a familiar personage to them, not only because his distinguished great grandfather was Provincial Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Canada, but because he himself promotes the principles of Freemasonry. It is doubtful the Grand Lodge of Canada would quote an Evangelical minister who is not a fellow Mason."

I would urge you to read John Macarthur: Mainstreaming Paganism in the Church to learn much more about John Macarthur.

Nepotism

You stated that you did internet searches for "John Macarthur + Nepotism" and sites came up that mentioned Grace To You (GTY) and Freemasonry.  This is for a few reasons.  It's because John Macarthur's two sons hold the positions of Director and Treasurer at GTY.  It's because Kory Welch, John Macarthur's son-in-law, owns a private firm which is annually awarded a contract by GTY to do its video production.  This private firm, The Welch Group Companies, has been awarded approximately $3,500,000 over the last 5 years and about $775,000 annually from GTY for this work.  And the reason why the topic of Freemasonry comes up while doing this internet search is because there are Masonic symbols within some of the videos produced by The Welch Group Companies and there are Masonic/Occult symbols associated with GTY.  I will put in links where you can read more about this.  

Is Grace To You Avoiding the Appearance of Evil?

Is John Macarthur a Master of the Craft?

Video Depicts Masonic All-Seeing Eye

Masonic Symbols at GTY
 

And though I don't know what Macarthur's teaching or stance is regarding nepotism within the family, I believe it's safe to assume from the evidence that he doesn't oppose nepotism within the church.   

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StarrJ,

We have been researching John MacArthur or several years because of his heretical teachings, his global network and his expanding influence on Evangelical Christianity. We have not impulsively jumped to conclusions but have solid reasons for concern about his teaching on fundamental doctrines pertaining to the saving work of Jesus Christ.  MacArthur denies that men are saved by the shedding of Jesus' blood and maintains that it was only His death which saves. We may seem to be splitting hairs but the Bible clearly states that it is the shed blood of Jesus which saves, and not just His death.(Heb. 9:22)  Eliminating the blood of Jesus as the element which saves makes it possible for heretics to deny His humanity, which was necessary for Jesus to be a Mediator between between God and men. Omitting the shedding of Jesus' physical blood for salvation also leaves room for the Gnostic heresy which claims that Jesus was a divine spirit of "the Christ" with no human body of flesh and blood, i.e., just another "Christ" like the mythical saviors of ancient pagan legends.  It is the agenda of the New Age movement to destroy Christianity by destroying belief in Jesus Christ as "God manifest in the flesh" and portray Him as a mythical god no different than pagan gods like Osiris, Horus, Dionysus, Adonis, Attis, and Mithras.

There are other heretical statements which have made us wonder who John MacArthur is and what is his true agenda. For example he has stated that those who take the mark of the Beast may be redeemed. See this page:

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/macarthur-1-mark-of-beast.html

MacArthur has also written a book which promotes the Gnostic heresy and references the heretical works of Gnostic, modernist and postmodern scholars who deny the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith.  Many of these scholars are rabidly anti-Christian and their works, which MacArthur recommends as authoritative, are filled with slander and blasphemy of the Lord Jesus Christ.

For example, John MacArthur favorably references Dale B. Martin’s book, Slavery as Salvation, because it likens the Christian life to the abusive institution of slavery in the Roman Empire.  Dale B. Martin is Professor of Religious Studies at Yale University, an admitted homosexual and author of a blasphemous book titled Sex and the Single Savior which portrays Jesus as a homosexual. Prof. Martin’s true identity is never disclosed by MacArthur in Slave.

Another scholar whose translation of Gnostic writings is recommended by MacArthur is Bart D. Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Prof. Ehrman is a New Testament critic who claims that he was an evangelical Christian until he discovered “errors” in the Bible.  Dr. Ehrman now writes books which debunk the New Testament and advocate for Gnostic forgeries such as the Gospel of Thomas and the Lost Gospel of Judas Iscariot to replace the New Testament canon.

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/macarthur-2-slave-book.html

MacArthur also hosts an annual youth camp which is essentially pagan, which you can read about here:

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/macarthur-7-druid-festival.html

When we researched the possiblity that John MacArthur is a Freemason, which is based on Gnosticism and the ancient pagan mystery religions, we found compelling evidence of his family's involvement in Freemasonry and even his own words which credit the success of his ministry to the work of his ancestor, who was a high ranking Freemason although he doesn't reveal that fact. Please see the following webpage portions of which are quoted below:

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/macarthur-6-freemasonry.html

John MacArthur's Life Testimony:

“PHIL JOHNSON: Thank you, John, and it is a privilege to be here. I know you don’t like to talk about yourself and so let’s ease into this and I’ll get you to talk a little bit about your ancestry. It’s well-known that you’re a fifth-generation pastor. Tell us about your grandfathers and the heritage of all those pastors in your background.

“JOHN MACARTHUR: Sure, well my Dad, obviously, is still preaching and teaching the Bible in his ninetieth year and has been doing that for about almost 70 years now. And was for many of the years, those years, a pastor and evangelist. His father, my grandfather, Harry MacArthur, was a pastor. He was converted in his twenties. He worked for the Canadian Railray...Railway in Calgary, he was chief telegrapher in those days and was converted to Christ and called to ministry. So he left Canada, came down to California. Attended the Bible Institute of Los Angeles and was trained as a pastor and then went into pastoral ministry. And, of course, I only knew him as a pastor. And so I used to, as a child, listen to my grandfather preach. And his wife, my grandmother, had a father who was a pastor in Prince Edward Island on the east coast of Canada. And his father was a pastor back in Scotland. And so,... ”

John MacArthur: Servant of the Word and Flock by Iain Murray:

“Harry MacArthur, the grandfather of our subject, was working as a chief telegrapher on the Canadian Railways at Calgary, Alberta, when he became a Christian. His wife, Olivia Mary Fullerton, was the daughter of a Thomas Fullerton, who was minister of the Presbyterian Church of Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, on the east coast of Canada. 1. Fullerton had come from Scotland where his father had also been a Presbyterian minister. There was thus Scottish ancestry on both sides of the marriage of Harry and Olivia.

    “1. Thomas Fullerton was minister of St James Kirk in Charlottetown, 1893-1921, a ministry interrupted while he served in the Canadian army during the Boer War.” (p. 5)

Profile of Thomas Fullerton on the website of the Grand Lodge of Prince Edward Island:

http://peifreemasonry.com/thomas-fraser-fullerton-pgm/

THOMAS FRASER FULLERTON
Most Worshipful Brother
Thomas Fraser Fullerton, PGM*
Grand Lodge of Prince Edward Island, A.F. & A.M.;
Grand Master 1913 – 1914

Thomas Fraser Fullerton was born at Glasgow, Scotland, on March 28th, 1861.

He received his early education at a Public School, matriculating into Glasgow University from which he graduated as Prizeman.

Having fitted himself for a life of theological work he came to America in 1889, and after a short Pastorate in St. John, N. B., he accepted a call to St. James Presbyterian Church, (Kirk) in Charlottetown, P. E. I. This charge he still holds, and has held continually for twenty-one years, with the exception of one year while in active service as Chaplain with the Royal Canadian Regiment in the South African War in 1900.

He received the Degree of Doctor of Divinity from the Presbyterian College at Halifax, N. S. in 1913.

In Masonry he received his first light as an Entered Apprentice in St. Johns Lodge, No. 1, Charlottetown, on March 15th, 1901, as a Fellow Craft, April 16th, and as Master Mason, May 14th, of the same year. He presided as Worshipful Master of St. Johns Lodge in 1911. In the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite he received the degrees of the Lodge of Perfection and Rose Croix Chapter in 1903, and the intermediate degrees to 32 degree in Charlottetown Consistory in 1911.

In the Grand Lodge he was Grand Chaplain, 1907-10; Senior Grand Deacon, 1911; Deputy Grand Master, 1912 and Grand Master, 1913.

From the Proceedings of the 38th Annual Communication of the Most Worshipful Grand Lodge of Prince Edward Island A. F. & A. M. (1913).

Photo is reprinted with the permission of the Prince Edward Island Public Archives.

Accession #2320/103-4 Major T. F. Fullerton Charlottetown Camera Club collection

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/macarthur-6-freemasonry.html#fullerton

The folloiwng is John MacArthur's tribute to his (Masonic) great grandfather's ministry whose "spiritual fruit" continued through the generations to John MacArthur and the explosion of spiritual fruit in his own global ministry:

    “The good news is, when the soil is prepared by God, there’s going to be an explosion of spiritual fruit and the harvest will go on and on and on and on and on and on. A nice young man in our church was recently in Prince Edward Island and I had said in the church service that my great grandfather was a pastor of St. James Kirk Presbyterian Kirk in Prince Edward Island back in the 1800’s. So when he was up there, he started digging around and found all kinds of things about my great grandfather. Thomas Fullerton was his name and he was pastor there at the main church in Charletown(?) [Charlottetown] for about twenty-eight years. He was a chaplain in the Canadian Military and he went to the Bower(?) [Boer] War in South Africa and fought and did ministry among the troops. And you look back and that and you say, ‘Okay, there’s a...his father was also a pastor who had been in Scotland and then gone to Australia and come there and at some point the Lord plowed the heart of that family and it just kept going and it just kept going and it kept going and it came down through my...from my great-grandfather to my grandmother, his daughter, and then through her to my father and then through me and this is the explosion and we’re all in this process somewhere. All of our lives intersect and that’s the...that’s the good news in the story and the disciples needed to hear that because it all basically looked like it wasn’t going anywhere.” (A Diagnosis of the Soils)

https://www.gty.org/resources/print/sermons/41-18

We can only conclude from this endorsement of his Masonic great grandfather's "ministry" that John MacArthur’s ministry is the spiritual fruit of Freemasonry, even though he does not reveal the fact that his great grandfather's life's work was to teach and promote Freemasonry.


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Watch-pray,

Thanks very much for posting that great evidence.
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Originally Posted by watch-pray regarding John Macarthur's signature. 

When Macarthur signs his name "John," it looks like "Jah." See page 2 of The Master's Current:

http://www.masters.edu/media/current/

"Jah" is part of the Masonic "ineffable name" Jah-Bul-On, which is a compound word for 3 pagan deitiesthe Roman Jove/Jah, Chaldean Baal/Bul, and Egyptian On or Hindu Aum. Freemasons worship each of these pagan deities as "Jehovah". Here is quote from a Masonic source which explains the name and its importance in the initiation rite for the Royal Arch degree which is the highest degree of Ancient Craft Masonry:

"The candidates, instructed by the Principal Sojourner, now learn the Grand Omnific Royal Arch Word, as follows:

"Each one takes hold with his right hand of the right wrist of his companion on the left, and with his left hand takes hold of the left wrist of his companion on the right. Each one then places his right foot forward with the hollow in front, so that the toe touches the heel of his companion on the right. This is called "three times three;" that is, three right feet forming a triangle, three left hands forming a triangle, and three right hands forming a triangle. They balance in the same manner, and then, with hands raised, repeat the words Jah-buh-lun, Jehovah, G-o-d, at low breath, as described before...

"The Royal Arch Word to have been perfectly in keeping with the Degree, and with the general construction of Masonry, should have been a triad, not only of syllables, but also of letters...

JAH.

BUL.

AUM.


"JEHOVAH. Of the varieties of this sacred name in use among the different nations of the earth, three particularly merit the attention of Royal Arch Masons:

"1. JAH. This name of God is found in the 68th Psalm, v. 4.

"2. BAAL OR BEL. This word signifies a lord, master, or possessor, and hence it was applied by many of the nations of the East to denote the Lord of all things, and the Master of the world.

"3. ON. This was the name by which JEHOVAH was worshipped among the Egyptians...

"A candidate is said to be EXALTED when he receives the Degree of Holy Royal Arch, the Seventh in York Masonry. Exalted means elevated or lifted up, and is applicable both to a peculiar ceremony of the Degree, and to the fact that this Degree, in the rite in which it is practised, constitutes the summit of ancient Masonry.--Lexicon...

"The Insignia of the Royal Arch:

"...Among the Syrians, the Chaldeans, the Phoenicians and others, the ineffable name of the Deity was Bel, Bal, Bul, Baal, or Belin... Again, the Egyptians and Hindoos reverenced On or Om, i.e., Aun, or Aum, as the name of their chief Deity.

"And vide Historical Landmarks, vol. ii. p. 549:

"One says it was Jau, another thinks it was Jaoth, a third, Java; others, Juba, Jao, Jah, Jehovah, and Jove. In a word, the letters of the name are perishable, and the pronunciation of little moment: but the Being himself is ineffable, incomprehensible, and worthy of our utmost veneration. He was called by the Romans Jove, or Jah; by the Chaldeans, the Phœnicians, and the Celtæ, Bel or Bul; and by the Indians, Egyptians, and Greeks, Om or On."

http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/dun/dun08.htm


Actually, "Jehovah" is a corruption of the Hebrew name of God, YHWH. The various Jewish encyclopedias state that "Jehovah" is an error resulting from the insertion of vowels from name of the Greek god, Adonai, into YHWH. If you are interested you can read about the etymology of "Jehovah" on this page about the Tetragrammaton:

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/TR-2-tetragrammaton.html

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    "Jupiter/Jove, the supreme god of the Romans, was an omnisexual pederast whose counterpart in the Greek pantheon was Zeus. Jove reigned over the pre-flood world from Mount Olympus, the home of the twelve antediluvian gods. (See: “The False Gospel in the Stars: Aquarius”)  In Roman mythology, Jupiter was depicted as an “eagle,” based on ancient mythologies which depicted Lucifer as the eagle or the phoenix who was cast down from heaven in flames, but will rise again.  In short, the “Bird of Jove” or Jupiter, is a disguise for Lucifer.

     “...the Egyptians and Phoenicians believed that the phoenix was the representation of a god who ‘rose to heaven in the form of a morning star, like Lucifer, after his fire-immolation of death and rebirth. One former witch explains:

      “‘...Most occultists believe that the Phoenix is a symbol of Lucifer who was cast down in flames and who (they think) will one day rise triumphant....

      “The eagle (also called the Bird of Jove) is frequently identified with the phoenix. As is well known, the eagle is used extensively in Masonry. In a Masonic Bible was the question: ‘What is the symbolism of the Eagle in Freemasonry?’ The answer given was: ‘The eagle has been a symbol among the different peoples of the world from time immemorial. In Egypt, Greece, and Persia it was sacred to the sun; among pagans it was the emblem of Jupiter; among the Druids it was the symbol of their supreme god.’” (Cathy Burns, Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated, pp. 122-24)

Considering the overwhelming evidence that John MacArthur is a Freemason, when he signs his name as "Jah" I believe he is paying homage to the god of Freemasonry, Jah-Bul-On, or Lucifer. MacArthur's Masonic signature may also reveal to the brotherhood that he a Royal Arch Mason, the summit of Ancient Craft Masonry.
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I came across a reference to the Druids' worship of "Jove" in Samuel Johnson's 1776 book, A Description of Stonehenge, Abiry, &c. in Wiltshire: With an Account of the learning and discipline of the Druids:

“In their worship they were equally averse to inclosed temples and the use of images. The name of Jupiter they would never admit of, and tolerated only that of Jou or Jove… True, that they invoked the SUPREME by the name JEHOVAH TSEBAOTH, the LORD of Hosts, or God of Armies: And hence their supposed respect for Mars. True, that the oak was esteemed as an emblem of that solemn covenant in which their hopes of happiness were placed, and that, under it, divine honors were paid to JEHOVAH, the Purifier and Mediator…” (p. 49)

Here we see that the ancient Druids of Great Britain paid "divine honors" to "Jove" as "Jehovah" under oak trees.  Which sounds a lot like "Under the Oaks" at The Master's College which is a meeting place for students and venue for TMC events. This year TMC is hosting a Big Band Concert "Under the Oaks" on April 30 which is a major Druid feast Beltane!

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 “A special ‘Under the Oaks BIG Band Concert’—April 30th 5 p.m. at North Campus. Enjoy the sounds of classic jazz and spectacular big band tunes on the beautiful campus grounds.

http://www.masters.edu/show-your-support-in-the-presidents-circle/

This Big Band Classical Jazz concert on Beltane is only for wealthy contributors who belong to the President's Circle, which sounds rather worldly. It certainly is hypocritical for a "Christian" college that punishes students for listening to rock music, although penalties are selectively enforced. My understanding is that if you are a WOW staffer you can get away with just about anything. Also, the annual Druid youth camp, Regeneration, hosts a rock concert which featured MTV's hip hop rapper, Lecrae, in 2010.

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I wanted to add a couple things to watchpray's comments about the antics of wow staff, as well as the  event described in the links. Wow staff is a group that has a very deceptive name, and the purpose of this is to hide their true purpose from new converts, though you will find it out if you stick around long enough. At the start of the schoolyear you have wow week (week of welcome) where you are befriended by a group of students called wow staff. You are led to believe they show up a week early for the purpose of introducing you to the campus, making you feel welcome, and get you used to life at tmc.

The reality is that wow staff are not just together for the week of welcome, nor does wow mean "week of welcome" in describing wow staff. They are actually a group within the college who have once per week meetings with the student life division. They are the elite believers in Lordship Salvation and meet many requirements such as good grades, no disciplinary actions, etc. They each befriend a number of students during wow week, and report upward as well as to each other throughout the year. In befriending you, you will probably reveal personal information once these people gain your confidence. Their sole purpose is to enact the restoration process and act as spies so student life know all buttons they can push on you. When placing people in the dorms you cannot have more than 4 students in a row without a wow staffer living in between or with one of them. I tried numerous times to report things done by wow staffers and it does no good, they are virtually immune to all college rules.

As for the view on rock and rap music, they have no problem with Christian artists or secular artists they think are Christians. At times, counselors will question your salvation by saying you put rock music, or whatever other hobby they know you have, before God. It's all about keeping you on a spiritual treadmill.
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I came across a reference to the Druids' worship of "Jove" in Samuel Johnson's 1776 book, A Description of Stonehenge, Abiry, &c. in Wiltshire: With an Account of the learning and discipline of the Druids:

“In their worship they were equally averse to inclosed temples and the use of images. The name of Jupiter they would never admit of, and tolerated only that of Jou or Jove… True, that they invoked the SUPREME by the name JEHOVAH TSEBAOTH, the LORD of Hosts, or God of Armies: And hence their supposed respect for Mars. True, that the oak was esteemed as an emblem of that solemn covenant in which their hopes of happiness were placed, and that, under it, divine honors were paid to JEHOVAH, the Purifier and Mediator…” (p. 49)

Here we see that the ancient Druids of Great Britain paid "divine honors" to "Jove" as "Jehovah" under oak trees.  Which sounds a lot like "Under the Oaks" at The Master's College which is a meeting place for students and venue for TMC events. This year TMC is hosting a Big Band Concert "Under the Oaks" on April 30 which is a major Druid feast Beltane!

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 “A special ‘Under the Oaks BIG Band Concert’—April 30th 5 p.m. at North Campus. Enjoy the sounds of classic jazz and spectacular big band tunes on the beautiful campus grounds.

http://www.masters.edu/show-your-support-in-the-presidents-circle/

This Big Band Classical Jazz concert on Beltane is only for wealthy contributors who belong to the President's Circle, which sounds rather worldly. It certainly is hypocritical for a "Christian" college that punishes students for listening to rock music, although penalties are selectively enforced. My understanding is that if you are a WOW staffer you can get away with just about anything. Also, the annual Druid youth camp, Regeneration, hosts a rock concert which featured MTV's hip hop rapper, Lecrae, in 2010.

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BJW, if the WOW staff are counselors who've been entrusted to search out sin in the lives of other students and then apply harsh discipline, it would seem that they ought to be models of holy living themselves. But the photos and videos in the following expose reveals that these WOW counselors are anything but holy:

http://www.pccmonroe.org/2013/04.26.htm

They seem no different from the hedonistic youth culture they purport to condemn when they report or discipline their fellow students for listening to rock music. How can the student body in general overlook such hypocrisy?  Or would you say the students are corrupted by the worldly example of the WOW staffers and just set a lower standard for themselves? This just underscores the total pretense of MacArthur's Pharisaical Lordship system of outward works. It's like a whited sepulchre which outwardly appears beautiful to men, but inside is full of dead men's bones (corruption).
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BJW, if the WOW staff are counselors who've been entrusted to search out sin in the lives of other students and then apply harsh discipline, it would seem that they ought to be models of holy living themselves. But the photos and videos in the following expose reveals that these WOW counselors are anything but holy:

http://www.pccmonroe.org/2013/04.26.htm

They seem no different from the hedonistic youth culture they purport to condemn when they report or discipline their fellow students for listening to rock music. How can the student body in general overlook such hypocrisy?  Or would you say the students are corrupted by the worldly example of the WOW staffers and just set a lower standard for themselves? This just underscores the total pretense of MacArthur's Pharisaical Lordship system of outward works. It's like a whited sepulchre which outwardly appears beautiful to men, but inside is full of dead men's bones (corruption).

I agree. When I was there they put silly videos together to play during the chapel services as well, and sometimes they would put sad videos together for a guilt response before missions week. The chapel services are very contemporary in nature with the worship songs played with a band with guitar, keyboards, etc. The cult is definitely calculated to appeal to the younger generation, and it is hypocritical because theyare all about cconfrontation and repentance. Then, when they are later accused of legalism they will trot out these videos.

You are definitely right it is all about outward works and correcting others to make sure they are keeping the rules with outward appearances. It's a miserable life with these hypocrites on you constantly, and everyone questioning their salvation. They try to look happy, but no one is.

A few notes...I noticed some of the video links are dead, so they are catching onto the criticism. I agree with the pilgrim site's assessment of Paul Plew, he's very condescending and doesn't act very Christian. As a side note, the girl rapping in the beginning of the spring sing video was rapping right in front of my old bedroom...lol!
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Freemason or not he teaches that you can accept the mark of the beast and still be saved! I was a big fan of his because I believe his teachings are spot on until he gets to Revelations and then he falls flat on his face!

https://www.gty.org/blog/B131030?Term=mark%20of%20the%20beast
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Macarthur's teachings haven't been as "spot on" as you may think.  For instance, for decades he's denied the blood of Jesus Christ.  The quotes below were made by Macarthur in the video. 


"You have to stop short of saying 'We are saved by the blood of Jesus', in the sense that there is some efficacy in the fluid that poured out of his body."

"We don't want to get caught into this bizarre notion that somehow in the actual fluid that came out of the body of Jesus there is saving power or saving efficacy."  

"There is nothing in the fluid in his body that in any way in itself could save us."  



 
And in order to learn much more about John Macarthur's teaching on this most important "Blood of Jesus" issue then see also:

John Macarthur's Heretical Teaching Regarding the Blood of Christ

John Macarthur and the Blood of Christ

The Cults, Dr. Macarthur, and the Blood of Christ


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Also, just disagreeing with MacArthur on this issue alone would get you in the restoration process , and may disqualify you from employment, or elder or wow staff status. This happened to my friend I mentioned in the other thread, though he kept his job MacArthur made him do a continuous study of the Revelations section of the study bible. One wow staffer told me once MacArthur is premil and has the Spirit, and two people with the Spirit will not disagree, so those who are amil are unsaved.

I will admit the cheese tastes good at first, but once in the trap it clamps down. It gets more strict once on the inside, and disagreements, no matter how trivial, are not taken lightly. His more problematic teachings are not revealed in the introductory materials, I highly recommend you check out this forum and website, and the cult ed destructive churches subforum before commiting to this. If you learn both sides and still decide to commit it is one thing, but learn both sides before making up your mind.

I did some research on Scientology so I could compare it to Nouthetic Counseling, and I took their study tech and tone scale courses just to see how they indoctrinate new people. I will admit as an educator the study tech course had some valuable information, like word usage, dictionary usage, and memory aids. It all seems very helpful and I can see how they take people in so easily, but I went in knowing what it was later if you decide to stay and didn't go past the introductory materials. This is why it always pays to learn both sides.
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