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"Judge not, that ye be not judged.  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Matthew 7:1-2)

Has this forum judged John Macarthur?  Has this forum violated God's command to not judge others? 

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The Bible also commands us to expose evil.  MacArthur has already judged others by condemning all non-lordship people to hell.  I believe these verses are about how people are with each other, and not how a man running a billion dollar empire has hurt many, from which we have far more than "three witnesses."  I believe that God wants us to use our experiences as a way to prevent others from going through the same things.
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I am no theologian, so I am not qualified to answer this. I am qualified to say that John Macarthur has bashed half of the Christians in the world with his broad brush lambasting of the Charismatic church.

He also bashed individual preachers (Joel Osteen is one example) with reckless abandon. He is a very harsh man when it comes to criticizing other leaders. 

I believe the most important aspect of our walk is to Love God and Love people, what I see with John is a very judgemental spirit.

This is definitely a man who judges others.

This blog may or may not be 100% accurate, but I have read enough to know that many of the stories on this forum are indicative of the experiences that I had when we attended a John-Mac type church. The pastor was a total follower, so to speak.

I could never put my finger on it, but something was really strange about the church we went to, once I left I felt like a huge weight had been lifted. This forum helped me fill in the missing pieces and explain some of what happened with us.

I assume, like most blogs, there are some crazy ideas and false stories written here, but there has to be some truth as well. I take some of it with a grain of salt, but a lot of it rings true with me due to our personal experience. I am very concerned with several issues, namely:

#1: The very alarming pictures I see at Masters College. I assume those images are real, and if they are, it's very alarming. It looks very much like cult worship to me. I wonder why John doesn't address it? If i were a parent thinking about this school, I would run far away.

#2: The Lordship Salvation/Hyper-Calvinistic approach. I feel this is not fo God.






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I believe a kind of judging / discerning is encouraged and commanded by God and I think we are within God's bounds in discerning and in warning others of Macarthur's false teachings (lordship salvation, Christians are slaves, denial of the blood of Jesus Christ, affirmation that one can be redeemed after taking the mark of the Beast...) and I also think we are within God's bounds in exposing the general mind control his followers are subject to (membership covenants, small group participation/confessions, restoration process, nouthetic counseling, strong police/military presence at GCC...) as well as the bizarre pagan activities he has his followers taking part in (Camp Regen, Masters College "games", Ascend Camp...).  I also believe we are within God's bounds in not only taking a close look at him, but his pedigree (his father's involvement with Henrietta Mears and with Masons and with Rabbi Feinberg, his being named for his great-grandfather - the Grand Master of the Grand Masonic Lodge of Canada, his presence at the MLK crime scene, his inexplicable presence on US national radio and TV...).  However, I do believe we will cross God's line (which isn't hard to cross) if we presume to judge Macarthur's heart or to judge him to condemnation which would place us on God's throne and usurping God's prerogative.
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We must do our judging in the context of Scripture, not comparing ourselves with ourselves. If we can make a clear case for error then we need to judge the error. Apparently if we are to obey Christ's teachings, we are to judge or critique the deceptions of our day. If I have listened carefully to someone who is clearly lying, then I should be able to find other witnesses online or in person who can see the same thing. If we don't do our duty and fail to give warning, then Scripture says we will be held accountable. If we know someone to be deceiving and lying publicly then we should judge that liar publicly. This may land us in trouble with the majority being deceived, but who is our judge...them or Christ?
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This site is 100% accurate in my opinion about the going ons within the JM cult following. We are to judge each other in regards to sin a false teachings we are not to judge the heart as our own hearts are deceitfully wicked and only God knows the heart. We are also to judge with discernment be loving without violating Gods word and also be willing to forgive when asked to forgive by those who are seeking forgiveness and to be restored. However part of restoration and forgiveness is the person recognizing that there may be consequences in spite of being forgiven but we are to lift them up in prayer and allow the Lord to work in that persons life.
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The Bible also commands us to expose evil.  MacArthur has already judged others by condemning all non-lordship people to hell.  I believe these verses are about how people are with each other, and not how a man running a billion dollar empire has hurt many, from which we have far more than "three witnesses."  I believe that God wants us to use our experiences as a way to prevent others from going through the same things.
    Yes bjw... we have to be super careful, though..
I am more concerned with hyper-Calvinism than I am with J-Mac. My big issue is with the tenants of Calvinism and its teachings. With john MacArthur, I can never prove all the accusations about Masonic issue, druid festivals on campus, etc. I will stay away from discussing those items, but I will say its very alarming... I cant prove it, but it makes me really leery.
My objective is to stay far away from Calvinism in its most legalistic form, and I choose to get my teaching from the Bible and other folks.. too much smoke with John...
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This site is 100% accurate in my opinion about the going ons within the JM cult following. We are to judge each other in regards to sin a false teachings we are not to judge the heart as our own hearts are deceitfully wicked and only God knows the heart. We are also to judge with discernment be loving without violating Gods word and also be willing to forgive when asked to forgive by those who are seeking forgiveness and to be restored. However part of restoration and forgiveness is the person recognizing that there may be consequences in spite of being forgiven but we are to lift them up in prayer and allow the Lord to work in that persons life.
Can you give me specifics, please help me to understand why you say that.
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