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John MacArthur and his cult destroyed my family.  I have had PTSD for 8 years after being shunned and humiliated (and lied to and lied about) by my family.  My niece is one of his "missionaries" in India, unfriended me on Facebook because I was wearing a dress she deemed inappropriate and "As a minister's wife, I can't have my friends viewing that"  (Pride goeth before a fall)   She attended the Master's College where she was brainwashed, became judgmental, met a Punjabi man who claimed to be Christian, married him, moved to India and had 4 kids before she knew what hit her.  This girl was a beautiful, talented intelligent woman from a good family who was the apple of her grandparent's eyes.  She could play the piano like nobody else.   She and my sister began abusing my dying father when my mother passed and they actually showed up at his funeral dressed like members of ISIS!  He was a very dedicated Christian man and I found that extremely offensive but I didn't say anything.  Then they disowned me because I must not be saved because they don't see fruit.  I am not accountable to them for my fruit, only God.  They don't know what I have or have not done and it is none of their business.  What does the Bible say about going into a dark closet and not bragging?-they already have their reward.  Also the fake apology for HER indiscretions "I am sorry that YOU feel the way that YOU do."  No responsibility,.  They killed my father to get his money and I believe gave it all to MacArthur. (It was around half a million) I almost lost my faith.  Thank you so much for posting this. I have thought I was going to Hell for 8 years and that I was the bad one.  Because they call themselves Christians and I couldn't find any legitimate source saying otherwise, I have been struggling with this forever.  He is the Benny Hinn, The Peter Popoff, The Jim Jones of the upper-middle class.  My family took my money but when I started seeing the heresy and my sister told my dying father he wasn't "giving" enough, I stopped giving.  Shortly after, they disowned me.  Since it is dirty money in that I am going to hell and all, shouldn't they send that back to me?


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Noelle,
I'm glad you woke up and saw the truth and got out of this cult.  It is very greedy and will take as much money from you as it can before you are all used up.  They cry about how much money they need in the mailers they send out, but looking at their own publications will show lavish facilities they build that could have used the money for more worthwhile causes.  As mentioned in the other post, they spent millions on a two story museum to honor MacArthur at the same time they were telling their followers they were short of funds to educate students and needed more money to fund scholarships.  Please do your best to educate anyone who may be getting tricked into supporting this criminal enterprise.

Also, I hope you continue posting, the more people post about their experiences is the more people will be educated, and we can stop others from getting abused in the future.

How your niece was brainwashed at TMC is actually common, as they indoctrinate you that your ministry for them comes first while your career comes second, and you are told you must use your career as a sort of "missionary field" to further spread the doctrines.  See the thread on "the Master's Current" on here for more of what that entails.
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Noelle, I am deeply sorry for what you have and are continuing to suffer as a result of the Johnnie Mac cult.  I know how you feel.  For years I actually gave $100 a month from my disability pensions to GTY.  I received his 3 emails daily, and had several of his books.

But then he came out with the Strange Fire conference.  I am not and never have been charismatic, but I knew the hateful things he was saying about the works of the Holy Spirit were wrong, so I stopped my autopay to Grace.

Regarding getting your money back, did you mean from GTY?  I'll make a further comment about that later today as I also tried to get back the money I'd given Grace church in Greeley, CO, in 2014 (when I never stepped foot in that church) after their new pastor, Travis Allen, kicked me out of his car on Easter Sunday 2015, after inviting me to dinner with his family, for my refusal to deny that Jesus came to me in an awesome dream in 1973.  I told in detail of this on another thread, but if you're talking about getting your money back from your family, please let me give you some advice from the Word, which I'd opened my Bible to while mourning over early childhood photos.

I too suffered enormously at the hands of my family, and I'd already read the Gospels at age 17, in which Jesus promised, "You WILL BE betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death" (Luke 21:16), so there's actually no excuse why I wouldn't heed His words.  

Bottom line is though, I didn't believe Him.  In my early 20's, I was going through a period of mourning over early childhood photo albums, longing for my old life back before the horror started when I grabbed a Bible and "happened" to turn to Psalm 45:10, "Listen, daughter, and pay close attention: FORGET YOUR PEOPLE AND YOUR FATHER'S HOUSE.  Let the KING be enthralled by your beauty; honor Him, for He is your Lord."

If you're talking about getting your money back from GTY, in another post I'll tell of my experience in attempting to get either an apology or the money back I'd given Grace church in Greeley in 2014, after the new pastor they hired kicked me out of his car on Easter Sunday 2015, where I'd gone as a guest.  The church actually APPROVED his actions!

But as I said, I'll tell of this in another post.  God bless you, Noelle, and FORGET those people--and forgive from your heart, which is what I am working on now too, "Because judgment without mercy will be shown to him who has not been merciful; mercy triumphs over judgment" (James 2:13), "And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins" (Mark 11:25). 

For me personally, when I think of the sacrifices I made to give to both GTY all those years I gave out of my disability pensions, and Grace church in 2014, only to be treated contemptuously the way I was on Easter 2015, and to be denied even an APOLOGY from Grace church for their shiny new pastor's despicable behavior, the ONLY THING that helps me is to remember the above Scriptures about forgiveness, but ALSO to remember Jesus' frightening words, "Truly, truly , whatever you've done unto the least of one of these, you've done it unto ME" (Mt. 25:40).

SOMEDAY HE WILL EXECUTE PERFECT JUSTICE!!!

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I should have added to my post above the significance of Travis Allen kicking me out of his car after inviting me to Easter dinner, was that he was the man who organized the "ENTIRE Strange Fire conference" (that was the way he boasted of himself when I first met him that fateful Easter Sunday).  Again, though, I'll make a separate post about Grace's refusal to either apologize to me or send my money back--so I could invest it in God-honoring, God-fearing, Bible-believing and OBEYING ministries.
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Noelle,
I'm glad you woke up and saw the truth and got out of this cult.  It is very greedy and will take as much money from you as it can before you are all used up.  They cry about how much money they need in the mailers they send out, but looking at their own publications will show lavish facilities they build that could have used the money for more worthwhile causes.  As mentioned in the other post, they spent millions on a two story museum to honor MacArthur at the same time they were telling their followers they were short of funds to educate students and needed more money to fund scholarships.  Please do your best to educate anyone who may be getting tricked into supporting this criminal enterprise.

Also, I hope you continue posting, the more people post about their experiences is the more people will be educated, and we can stop others from getting abused in the future.

How your niece was brainwashed at TMC is actually common, as they indoctrinate you that your ministry for them comes first while your career comes second, and you are told you must use your career as a sort of "missionary field" to further spread the doctrines.  See the thread on "the Master's Current" on here for more of what that entails.

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Thank you for your support.  I was never really a member of that church.  My sister found him and started asking family and friends for money to send my niece to this prestigious Christian college.  I got that creepy feeling I always get when I am around false Christians but I just chalked it up to the fact that I was never as "good" as they were or as devout so my sin is blocking me from getting the "high" that these people seem to be on.  Then I saw her personality change and they talked about religion all the time and were constantly grilling me as to what church I go to and the name of the pastor so they could google him and make sure he went to the right seminary, yet if I asked them biblical questions or for advice they had nothing,  They didn't even want to discuss it.  Then after supporting their ministry in India for a year and a half, I asked them for guidance (he is supposed to be a family counselor/minister) I get an email saying they can't help me because they are over there and I am over here and it's too hard.

I still have imaginary conversations with my sister where I say "The devil disguises himself as an angel of light.  Do I look like an angel of light to you?  Because you sure look like one to me!"

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I should have added to my post above the significance of Travis Allen kicking me out of his car after inviting me to Easter dinner, was that he was the man who organized the "ENTIRE Strange Fire conference" (that was the way he boasted of himself when I first met him that fateful Easter Sunday).  Again, though, I'll make a separate post about Grace's refusal to either apologize to me or send my money back--so I could invest it in God-honoring, God-fearing, Bible-believing and OBEYING ministries.


Thank you for replying.  You are so right and I am slowly learning to replace the anger towards my family with true concern for what they have gotten themselves into and I really don't care about the money, I was more just making a point.  My biggest concern is my new fear of churches. Macarthurism isn't widely known so while I don't want a watered down version of the bible (all paths lead to God) but I don't want a cult.  As far as the money goes, I believe that you and I gave for the right reasons and are blessed because of it.  If they used the money for wickedness, that is on them not us.

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Well said!  Having cultivated the facade of a scholarly theologian, Macarthur does tend to seduce the "intellectual" and "educated" upper-middle class white American.   You came to the right place and unfortunately you aren't alone in being victimized by this cult.  Is your sister also a follower of Macarthur? 

It's my sister that started this mess. I think after our mother died she needed a new mentor to tell her what to do and unfortunately she found Macarthur.

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Noelle,

You said,

"Then they disowned me because I must not be saved because they don't see fruit.  I am not accountable to them for my fruit, only God.  They don't know what I have or have not done and it is none of their business."

Your sister and niece are surely adhering to Macarthur's Lordship Salvation teaching.  Their salvation depends upon continuing on a treadmill of works, but the Apostle Paul said that Christians have ceased from their works.  You are in His rest, but they are ever fearful they haven't done enough works.  You are accountable to God only, but their accountability has shifted to their ministry leaders.  The Macarthurites would also condemn Noah because they wouldn't see his fruit either.     


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Noelle,

You said,

"Then they disowned me because I must not be saved because they don't see fruit.  I am not accountable to them for my fruit, only God.  They don't know what I have or have not done and it is none of their business."

Your sister and niece are surely adhering to Macarthur's Lordship Salvation teaching.  Their salvation depends upon continuing on a treadmill of works, but the Apostle Paul said that Christians have ceased from their works.  You are in His rest, but they are ever fearful they haven't done enough works.  You are accountable to God only, but their accountability has shifted to their ministry leaders.  The Macarthurites would also condemn Noah because they wouldn't see his fruit either.     


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Wow Noelle i'm so sorry for what you have gone through. Watchman is right you came to the right place. Your telling your story exposes them for what they are and what they do. Don't stay silent keep speaking out it's cathartic and your bringing it into the light. Ken Ramey and Mr Sammy and his wife are good friends and if there's one bad apple the rest are spoiled to! I'm stunned that these people have a maid while in the mission field. Seriously? They also have a restaurant or coffee shop? What is their mission food or people?  
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I know that true Christian missionaries in India will be greatly persecuted if not killed for preaching the gospel.  They will be attacked mostly by the Hindus and Moslems.  But when the Macarthurites go to India and elsewhere, I never hear of any persecution, rather, it often sounds like they are on a comfortable vacation.  One reason for this is because John Macarthur trained "missionaries" aren't preaching the most offensive gospel, but are teaching something called "Leadership Training" or "Leadership Development."   

"Leadership Training" isn't based on God's word, nor will it save souls.  It's based on man-made organizational systems and theories designed to create "a synergy of relational energy" within an organization (unifying all division or diversity).   In business, this organizational model is called Total Quality Management and it's infiltrated the churches primarily by Rick Warren (Purpose Driven Life) and Bob Buford (Leadership Network), both of whom are proteges of Peter Drucker, who developed TQM and whose father, Adolf, was Grandmaster of the Grand Masonic Lodge of Austria.

The goal of "leadership training" is to mobilize Christian volunteers to effect social change within their communities.  It's due to the great influence of Peter Drucker (Freemasonry) that we now see churches partnering with governments (faith-based partnerships) with Christians volunteering for all kinds of social works in order to change or to transform their communities.  See What is the CGM to learn more.   


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