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I had a few comments to make in light of the last few posts...

For starters, I don't want Servant of Christ to get the wrong idea about my view of counseling. While I believe the Nanc materials are not worth the paper they are printed on, I agree that psychiatry has had it's share of abuses as well. Even though I have been helped by psychology, I do think meds should be used as a last resort, definitely when a serious condition is present. I don't agree with people like Hubbard and MacArthur that believe only religion can give treatment and psychiatry is in a grand conspiracy to destroy religion. It's sad people like Ken Nally and Angelica Ericsson chose to commit suicide rather than get help because they thought their sin caused their illnesses. I think ministers need training to recognize the difference between medical and spiritual problems.

I enjoyed reading the posts that connect them with the globalist agenda. I think it was well researched and I hope those who read it take it seriously. The sad thing is Macarthur and the big 4 execs are probably already planning a response. So, to anyone on here, if they ever accuse you of being a conspiracy theorist, remind them their 2 core doctrines are built on conspiracy theories. Tell them to quit believing conspiracy theories first if they try to use this excuse. They typically use ad hominem attacks, since there's no way to refute what you're saying.
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I believe the question of whether or not a Christian should avail himself of certain types of counseling methods or medical help could be the subject of a very long and interesting discussion and debate.  But I believe in not allowing Christians the freedom to try these treatment methods if they should so desire and in pressuring Christians to forego these treatments for some alternative like Nanc, John Macarthur or any pastor would be taking authority not given to them in scripture. 
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Regarding the threads about the globalist agenda, I want to make sure if I'm understanding it right. It seems like they are trying to destroy Christianity from within by controlling both extremes and keeping them fighting so the real agenda is accomplished behind the scenes.

It reminds of a movie I think I saw about a decade ago called "Distinguished Gentleman." It had Eddie Murphy playing a conman who conns his way to Washington as a Congressman by tricking people to vote for him using a popular dead Congressman's name. Once in, he plans to milk the lobbyists for all they're worth. In one scene his aid tells him money is coming in from both sides, like if he kills an environmental bill the power companies pay him, and if he passes the bill the environmentalists pay him. So, he ruled to the highest bidder.

This is where he got a conscience, he thought for a moment and asked, with all this money from both sides how does anything ever get done? The man responded that's the genius of the system, it's designed so nothing ever gets done. I thought of this here with MacArthur. It seems as though all these ministries are designed to keep people busy and fighting other ministries so that nothing is ever really getting done. No real spiritual progress is being made. It seems like a detailed conspiracy that has gone on hundreds of years.
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BJW, you are right that Christianity is being controlled behind the scenes by invisble leaders who are manipulating all sides to bring their Luciferian agenda to pass. As Servant of Christ stated, they employ the dialectical process (thesis+antithesis=synthesis), directing mankind into ideological conflicts that progressively lead to a predetermined outcome.

Years ago I was involved in the pro-life movement. After a few years I began to suspect that for all hard work of pro-life advocates to end abortion, we were like hamsters on a treadmill, going nowhere. Nothing substantial was getting done to end abortion and nothing ever would. When I did some research, I learned that the same wealthy families, such as Rockefeller and Coors, were funding the pro-life movement as well as the pro-abortion and gay rights movements. Also, the pro-life organizations were NGOs of the United Nations, the foremost promoter of abortion in the world. Then I learned about the ultra-secretive Council for National Policy where 500+ prominent conservatives and liberals conspire to set the policies of the religious right and involve Chrisians in futile causes. And lo and behold, the president of the National Right to Life, John Wilke, was a member of the Council for National Policy, as were the Coors family. The CNP and pro-life orgs were formed to keep the Christians in a constant state of conflict with the liberal pro-aborts, and vice versa, while the CNP which was founded by CFR members remained invisible.

I would say John MacArthur's diatribes against the Emergents, Charismatics, Amillennialists and Postmodernists, all the while he himself is a Freemason promoting rank heresy and paganism, seems like the ultimate hypocrisy, however, he is part of the divide and conquer strategy leading Christians to the predetermined outcome, the Luciferian one world religion. Same with all the Calvinists who cause continuous strife over non-essentials to keep Christians fighting eachother so they never discover the real enemy.

The dialiectical strategy for world conquest is laid out in a letter allegedly written by Albert Pike to Guiseppe Mazzini, who co-founded the Communist Internationale with Karl Marx. Notice the plan calls for the destruction of Christianity in WW III, which is the endgame of the dialectical process:

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

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ANIMAL MASKS WORN AT JOHN MACARTHUR'S CAMP REGENERATION, THE DRUID FESTIVAL OF LUGHNASADH

Animal masks were an integral part of the Wicker Man festival. They are prominently visible in the 1973 British horror film, The Wicker Man and the Wicker Man film in 2006 starring Nicholas Cage. Animal masks are also worn by campers at John  MacArthurs Regeneration, which took place during the Druid festival of Lugnasadh, which is also the Celtic Druid Festival of Regeneration. What is the significance of animal masks?

Lughnasadh is the perfect time to experiment with the use of masks. Wearing a mask allows the person to hide their own face and personality, and don the personality of the mask. Wear the mask of your totem, or of your god/goddess. Become the mask you make.(Lughnasadh: Activities at Lammas)

[monkey]

*Regeneration Summer Camp Promo*

[face-mask]

Regeneration Summer Camp

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Regeneration Summer Camp

[mask-war-cry]

*Regeneration Summer Camp Promo*

[Wicker-Man-Mask]

The Wicker Man Film (1973)

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The Wicker Man Film (2006)

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The Wicker Man Film (2006)

According to pagan sources, Celtic warriors wore animal masks which enabled them to “shapeshift” into animals and endued them with the physical strength of animals. The animal is also believed to be a guide to the Otherworld,” i.e. Hell. King Solomon's magical signet ring enabled him to speak with animals:

WORKING WITH ANIMAL SPIRITS

“Warriors often hadanimal totems or called upon animal powers to help them in battle, invoking the strength of the bull, the courage of the boar, and so on... These warriors were feared, because they knew how to draw on the power and strength of the bear and fought in a kind of tranced frenzy, without fear or hesitation. They received the power of the bear at their initiation and were also believed to be able to shapeshift... certain ancient Celtic warriors were said to be able to turn themselves into wolves to tear and rend their enemies...

 

“...Perhaps in early times warriors wore animal masks in battle or during their initiations. Worldwide, magicians and shamans work with animal powers. The qualities of the animal are called upon to help the magician in his or her work... Because the animal is a spirit, it is also a guide to the Otherworld.(Lammas: Celebrating the Fruits of the First Harvest, p. 156)

 

The protagonists of Celtic myth often transformed themselves into animals.

The interest in magical transformation among the Celts may be rooted in a feeling for the fluidity of the cosmos-the malleability of the boundaries between this world and the next. Movement between the mortal world and the Otherworld was thought to take place at certain special times of year. In Irish myth, the hero Oengus assumed the form of a swan to follow his lover into the Otherworld on the feast of Samhain, when the barriers between the two realms were at their most fluid.
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The protagonists of Celtic myth often transformed themselves into animals. The interest in magical transformation among the Celts may be rooted in a feeling for the fluidity of the cosmos-the malleability of the boundaries between this world and the next. Movement between the mortal world and the Otherworld was thought to take place at certain special times of year. In Irish myth, the hero Oengus assumed the form of a swan to follow his lover into the Otherworld on the feast of Samhain, when the barriers between the two realms were at their most fluid.” (“The Mystery of Celtic Cultural Legacy: Magic and Metamorphosis”)

The magical signet ring said to have been possessed by King Solomon, which variously gave him the power to command demons and to speak with animals, as we saw above was carved with the Name of God, and set with four jewels. In later versions the ring bore the symbol of the hexagram.”  (Notes on Le Serpent Rouge)

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/macarthur-9-wicker-man.html

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FREEMASONS AND DRUIDS PROMOTE THE TEACHINGS OF JOHN MACARTHUR

The Latest News on one Clann Arthur website reveals that many members of the MacArthur Clan are still “Sons of Arthur” at heart, conspiring to restore the ancient Celtic kingdom on a global scale, with Celtic institutions and traditions, such as ritual human sacrifice. These MacArthurs are also practicing Druids, Wiccans and Freemasons.

 

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Source: http://www.clannarthur.com/home_index.htm

A previous version of the Clann Arthur site links to John Macarthur’s Grace To You broadcasts: http://www.clanarthur.org/

[clan-arthur]

In the Part 6 of this report, we found John MacArthur quoted in a Masonic publication and now we find a Druid website has linked to MacArthur’s teachings. (One Place: Grace To You) Why would Freemasons and Druids promote the teachings of a Christian minister unless he is secretly one of them? The reason they promote MacArthur is that, although he preaches the Bible, he is covertly promoting a hybrid of Christianity and paganism which is Gnosticism or Freemasonry. In this way he is working to bring about the destruction of Christianity as laid out in the Protocols of Sion:

Freedom of conscience has been declared everywhere, so that now only years divide us from them moment of the complete wrecking of that Christian religion... But, in the meantime, while we are re-educating youth in new traditional religions and afterwards in ours, we shall not overtly lay a finger on existing churches, but we shall fight against them by criticism calculated to produce schism...” (Protocol 17)

For example, John MacArthur has stated that those who receive the Mark of the Beast can be redeemed, a deception which will send multitudes to hell. (Part 1)  Detailed documentation has been presented in this report exposing the references in his book, Slave, to the works of pagan, anti-Christian scholars who blaspheme Jesus Christ. (Parts 2-5)  John MacArthur also sponsors an annual youth camp and church carnival during the Druidic feast of Lughnasadh in which his church and young campers learn and practice the customs of the heathen. (Part 7) These are not harmless traditions, but essential rituals of pagan feasts and rites which require human sacrifices offered to the Sun god, Baal, during the eight pagan fire festivals or Sabbats. (Part 9)

 
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I think this makes sense considering the legalism practiced. I think by getting Christians stereotyped as fanatics who force people to live in slavery, it drives people away from accepting Christ in the long-term. I cannot understand how they can defend their mark of the beast doctrine. The Bible explicitly says there is no hope for those who take it, and that only those with the seal of God on them will be saved, as the book of Revelations says.

Maybe in order to accept the mark, you will have to blaspheme the Holy Ghost first, since the Bible says that is the unforgivable sin. Since he already denies the efficacy of the blood of Christ, it seems it would not be much of a stretch. This is scary when you think about the possibilities.

The more I learn about this ministry, it seems calculated to destrou Christianity from within.
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I recently found a photo of Rick Holland making the Satanic hand signal at Camp Regeneration:

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Rick Holland was one of the three leaders of Camp Regeneration in 2011. For 25 years he served as the Executive Pastor of Grace Community Church under John MacArthur. Note Pastor Holland’s hands. He is summoning the Horned God and the Crescent Crowned Goddess as he preaches to the youth assembly. This is also a Masonic hand signal. It is unnatural to do, especially with both hands, accidentally.

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Rick Holland is not blessing the youth but casting a spell on them. This can be seen in the following excerpt from a website that teaches Harry Potter witchcraft:

“A wandless spell is a spell which is performed without the use of a wand. This form of magic can be particularly volatile, and can only be used effectively by powerful and disciplined wizards and witches. Sometimes, specific hand gestures focus the power of the spell and guide it to the target. This magic can be coupled with silent magic to cast spells under any circumstances.”  (Harry Potter Wiki)

The article shows a video clip of Dumbledore casting a powerful spell using the Horned Hand Sign.

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Some people may assume that John MacArthur is not involved in Camp Regeneration and therefore does not know about all the pagan activities the campers participate in, such as face & body painting, flashing Satanic hand signs, flying a Skull & Bones banner, dancing around a sacrificial pig, slogging in the mud like swine, wearing animal masks, reveling mosh-pit style at a performance of MTV star Lecrae, etc. The following photos show that John MacArthur is very involved with the leadership and campers during the week of Camp Regeneration.

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John Macarthur's Camp Regen 2015 is set to go.  It's called Citizens Living Now for Eternity.  Let the funeral games of the pagan god, Lugh, begin. 

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If any parents have stumbled onto this and are considering sending their kids this year, please research Lordship Salvation carefully and don't just rely on GCC 's website, which sounds Christian but they have redefined most of the terminology so that it is saying something different than you think, and many beliefs are plagiarized from other cults. This cult is designed to target youth and young adults that are at a crossroads in their life, and uses a clever, slow thought reform process. Your children may later be asked to shun any friends or family who do not go along with their new beliefs if they later join this. I personally met kids there who broke off all ties with their families because they favor "easy believism." The pagan overtones alone should be a red flag to any Christian.
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Who took those pictures?
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People who attended Camp Regen took those pictures and then posted them on the internet. 
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Right hi, I am new to all this and am really left without words.Watchman how did you get these pictures? Do all those who train at Mac'a academybknow about this stuff? And Watchman do you know about flats Mac has for pregnant unmarried women? I heard about them some years back..apartments specially for girls in that condition?
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Brokenbutstanding, the photos taken at John MacArthur's youth camp were obtained from the Regeneration Camp Flickr pages and RegenCamp promos.  The sources for these photos are documented and linked in my expose of Camp Regeneration which is posted at the links below.

"JOHN MACARTHUR’S DRUID FESTIVAL"

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/macarthur-7-druid-festival.html

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/macarthur-8-mind-control.html

This is actually part of a much longer 13-part expose which reveals how John MacArthur is stealthily promoting paganism in the Christian community:

"JOHN MACARTHUR: MAINSTREAMING PAGANISM IN THE CHURCH"

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/macarthur-0-mainstream-pagan.html
  1. John MacArthur & The Mark of the Beast
  2. John MacArthur’s “Slave” Book
  3. Based on Heretical Sources
  4. Christian Slavery
  5. Falling Away From the Faith
  6. John MacArthur: Freemason
  7. John MacArthur's Druid Festival
  8. Camp Regen Mind Control
  9. The Wicker Man
  10. The Once & Future Clan
  11. The British Druids
  12. Evangelical Druids
  13. History of the Druids
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Brokenbutstanding, I believe that those in leadership at Grace Community Church are aware that Macarthur's Camp Regen is the Druid Festival of Lughnasadh, but I believe that the majority of those in Macarthur's college, seminary, and congregation are in the dark.  I do wonder if some of the young people who attend Camp Regen are occultists...  

Macarthur has apartments for pregnant and unmarried women?  I haven't heard of it. 
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Brokenbutstanding, I believe that those in leadership at Grace Community Church are aware that Macarthur's Camp Regen is the Druid Festival of Lughnasadh, but I believe that the majority of those in Macarthur's college, seminary, and congregation are in the dark.  I do wonder if some of the young people who attend Camp Regen are occultists...  

Macarthur has apartments for pregnant and unmarried women?  I haven't heard of it. 
To add some observations to what watchmanwakes said, having lived with an executive in the cult for over a year, I can tell you it is an elaborate organization with a pyramid shaped structure, and the higher up you are is the more knowledge you have of the illegal and unethical aspects.  Wow staff, professors, or group leader/nouthetic counselor and below tend to be duped and robitically following orders while believing the tripe that Christianity is on the wrong path and MacArthur is the only hope.  The executives such as school officials, assistant pastors, and up tend to know they are covering up the true intentions of the organization.  

However, those at the top have relatives and friends on the bottom.  The blackmail scheme done to me to drive me out of the organization was so elaborate it took nearly a dozen people to pull off, only three of which were actual employees of the organization.  Watchmanwakes brings up a good point.  Many of these young people may know the true purpose of this druid festival if they have relatives further up the pyramid.  Also, the longer they are in is the more their minds can be controlled so they are softened up to learn the realities later on.  The third list in the MacArthur study bible under "Character of Genuine Saving Faith" tells them to guard their gospel, and it is my belief they use this to justify anything unethical they are ordered to do.

As for apartments, the only one they own off property is a block from the college, called Oaktree.  It is where older students and married couples tend to get housed.  I'm not sure if pregnant women ever get put there.  Slight and Smith are apartment style dormitories but are located on the TMC campus in Santa Clarita.

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REGENERATON 2015 - THE SACRIFICIAL PIG IS BACK!

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SEE: THE RITUAL PIG SACRIFICE AT CAMP REGENERATION

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As for the pig sacrifice and the Druid regeneration festival, it seems the lordship cult's rejection of the blood atonement doctrine may figure into this.  MacArthur teaches the blood of Christ did not actually accomplish anything but was only symbolic, with it being the death of Christ that had effect, taking away death caused by sin so we can resurrect.  This puts the responsibility of sin on the believer, so you are actually taking care of the sin problem during your life through confession, repentance, producing fruit, etc.  To me it seems to go against what most of Christianity has taught from the beginning.   What you say does not seem far fetched, as some literature by extreme Jewish kabbalistic groups like Chabad Lubavitch have compared Christ to a pig, mocking Christianity.  I'm not sure if this thinking influenced the Druids, but I have heard that Druids did human and animal sacrifices, and some of Barbara's articles confirmed what I have read.  Since we know this cult is like a pyramid, it is not too much of a stretch to think that the belief at the top is a twisted anti-Christian kabbalistic group.  The true theology is probably revealed at the higher levels, similar to how Scientology is really a ufo cult if you make it to their higher levels, and only 5% of them know it.  MacArthur's group probably has some similar esoteric knowledge once someone reaches the top and proves they will not reveal what they learn.  This may also be another truth implied in the third list when it uses the phrase "guard it". 
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The following has been taken from Call to Discernment Blog:

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- John MacArthur's Camp Regeneration

The more one researches John MacArthur the more troubling it seems to be. There are some who react emotionally with anger and dismiss such criticisms as judgemental nit-picking. But if MacArthur is so doctrinally pure why is there so much criticism of him in the broader Christian community, the same as there is with Billy Graham and others of his ecumenical kind?

Take his annual youth gathering event. At least part of it is plainly of the devil as the article below will prove. What have face paintings, ritual pagan ceremonies, and abundant satanic hand signs have to do with Christ and pure living? The photos speak for themselves and are backed up by evidence.

The Bible says we are to "Abstain from all appearance of evil." (1 Thessalonians 5:22) You would think from today's churches that the only way for Christian young people to have fun is to mimic the sinful habits of the unregenerate young. It wasn't that way when I was a young church goer. Nowadays the young control most churches and they do what they please while the elders do nothing about it, which in effect is approving it all.

MAINSTREAMING PAGANISM IN THE CHURCH
PART 7
JOHN MACARTHUR'S DRUID FESTIVAL
http://watch.pair.com/macarthur-7-druid-festival.html

The Watchman Wakes In Vain
A huge website with forum dedicated exclusively to exposing John MacArthur -  I have posted this for research by readers as I don't have the time to digest it all and write about it.
http://www.thewatchmanwakes.com/index.html
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We have shown that John Macarthur is getting young church members to participate in Druid festivals.  Ed Stetzer, the Executive Director of Lifeway Research of the SBC, has published an article on his blog titled "Live from Burning Man Part 2: More Lessons the Church Can Learn From Burning Man."

The article was written by Dr. Rick Richardson of Wheaton College.  Here's an excerpt:


What Can the Church Learn From Burning Man?

"Ninety percent of the people we interviewed at Burning Man were from mainline Protestant and Catholic backgrounds. They are, at this point, very dechurched! Most of them attended church in high school and earlier, but were never captured by the Church. They are not hostile, just disinterested. They are spiritual but not religious. They have found in the spiritualities on offer at Burning Man the missing meaning and connection and vision for the future that they never discovered in church. As we interviewed people, certain themes emerged describing what they had found or experienced that met their spiritual longings and needs in the way the church never did and, from their perspective, never could..."


One can read part 1 by Rick Richardson here: Live from Burning Man: What Can We Learn about God’s Mission in the Nevada Desert.

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Below are a couple more disturbing videos from John Macarthur's "Camp Regen" (2013, 2014) which he hosts for high school age church members. 



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I think Richardson's Burning Man article is a sad commentary of the state of the world and is a good analogy to the ritual of Camp Regen as offered by MacArthur.  These youth have a spiritual void that needs to be filled, and a festival like Camp Regen is filling it with a social gathering with pagan rituals just like Burning Man does, only with a veil of Christianity.  You can see how it is meant to appeal to their worldly natures.  Then, when college age or adult lordship salvation can meet the spiritual needs by providing a system that keeps them busy and gives currency toward salvation in exchange for works.  Like a cooking recipe, all you have to do is obey the instructions on all three lists and out pops salvation.  It all seems so simple at first, and most spiritual people want to do good, but then you discover you must keep increasing these things, an impossible standard.  Then, once burned out the person is right back where they started, away from Christianity, and looking for meaning in things like this secular Burning Man ceremony

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The following video is promoting John Macarthur's Camp Regen 2014.  This video is evil with purely satanic music being blasted. 

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I think this 3-part video is of interest given what's going on at John Macarthur's youth camps.

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I cannot stress this enough, watch all 3 parts of this video watchmanwakes posted here, because I can guarantee someone in your life will be taken advantage of by a group similar to this.  The video goes through the characteristics of a thought reform group, and this will show you very clearly the reason MacArthur's cult does things like Camp Regen, wow week, and the emotionally charged chapel services with loud music, videos that tug at your emotions, and guilt ridden sermons.  Pay attention to the 8 steps of mind control, because I saw characteristics of MacArthur's group in each one.

The phrase "Beat your body" was used, and I recognized that from my time at TMC.  As I said in another thread they used this out of context from the Bible to say you shouldn't take any time off to rest from illnesses.

I also like the way the therapists said it was normal for these groups to target young people at a crossroads in their life and who are altruistic, wanting to somehow make a difference in the world.  These cults use this as a way to get you to tolerate the abuse and submit.  This is why nobody should blame themselves for leaving.

I was also glad it showed the paranoia the girls had, and this is common to those braking free of mind control.  This is one reason I understand others on this forum who have trouble trusting who to tell their story to.  When I first left MacArthur's group I had trouble eating in restaurants always wondering if I was being watched, and I was not even able to have a girlfriend for about 5 years.  Therapists are able to help with trust issues and these girls did the right thing.  Some groups take the extra precaution to teach you psychology is evil, making it that much harder for you to take the extra step to get help.

Also, the type of mind control used in the boot camp portion (I think they called it Elsa) at Teen Mania is to traumatize the person, then reward them by group recognition.  The games at Camp Regen are probably designed for this, and even Scientology's Sea Org recruitment camp called the EPF force people into strenous tasks, the reward is you get recognition and are allowed to advance while not finishing means leaving in disgrace.  The Teen Mania video did something similar by making the person ring a bell and walk away in disgrace.  In similar nature, not wanting to do something in wow week, though not as severe, will get you the restoration process.  Could a kid at Camp Regen opt out of an activity without negative consequences?

To summarize, Camp Regen is just the first step in a long series of steps to accomplish thought reform.  If someone you love is ever getting recruited to something that sounds fishy, have them watch these videos, learn these steps to thought reform, and google other's experiences on the internet, it could be lifesaving.

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If any parents have stumbled onto this and are considering sending their kids this year, please research Lordship Salvation carefully and don't just rely on GCC 's website, which sounds Christian but they have redefined most of the terminology so that it is saying something different than you think, and many beliefs are plagiarized from other cults. This cult is designed to target youth and young adults that are at a crossroads in their life, and uses a clever, slow thought reform process. Your children may later be asked to shun any friends or family who do not go along with their new beliefs if they later join this. I personally met kids there who broke off all ties with their families because they favor "easy believism." The pagan overtones alone should be a red flag to any Christian.



Agreed. This cult also does church plants (by Masters' Seminary graduates) in wealthy neighborhoods with high net worth earners. That's not a mistake.

They also have Bible Studies on college and university campuses to make inroads and to recruit undergraduate and graduate students.  Of course many religious groups do this. But MacArthur's group and his followers are very intentional about doing it at the wealthiest educational institutions.

In my area of Northern California, my ex-church Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley (an incredibly spiritually abusive church complete with threats behind closed doors to members for any legitimate questions and public excommunications/shunnings with trumped up charges/lies about Christians) has intentionally focused on Bible Studies to recruit students from the prestigious Stanford University. 

Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley has ignored the public and non-elite state university, San Jose State University and its large population of students.
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Hi Everyone, 
I found this site on accident and have spent a lot of time reading and checking out all the links as well as watching the You Tube videos. With so much deception these days, I'm sure you will understand I try to test and prove all things, thus I have not discounted any of your testimony.

The most disturbing thing to me are the Regen video's and pic's. Of course the animal hoopla I mean WOW I really have nothing to say about how disturbing that is.
I'm going to also preface this by saying I am already a bible based believer in Christ and I know plenty about the Occult so I totally understand the context and the significance.  

That being said: I would like to know how this has all stayed hidden. These are huge rally's and It's a stretch for my mind to understand how this many kids can take part in this without being totally traumatized and parents knowing i would like some information about what has been done to confront MacArthur. 
Second: Its almost impossible for me to link these videos or pictures back to a page that is directly linked to GCC. I have accessed the flicker account and seen many photos there that indeed you have referenced, it's odd to me that such a large church would have such a small collection of photos with how much kids are on social media; also the Facebook I went through many photos as well. The closest I saw to the animal .... what ever you can call that.... are some kids passing tentacles through their shirts on the flicker. None of the other photos with the "trash" alter have heads on them. Also the events on GCC look very large and out in wide open spaces. The YouTube video posted by AJ Rochow has very few comments or anything that links it directly to GCC, in addition that video takes place in a very small wooded location, that appears to be a much smaller group of children. I do see an AJ Rochow listed on GCC webpage under youth staff, but that is not enough for me to hang my hat on. 

Oh, also the videos that are satanic and supposed to be the promos I can not find those directly on YouTube either its just a third hosting site. 

If anyone could provide some solid links that are directly connected to Grace Community website or YouTube video with these very condemning media that would be great. Or an explanation of the things mentioned above. I can not warn my other church members unless I have undeniable evidence. I'm already considered a little "fringe" with my Occult knowledge. Many Christians do not take seriously the huge occult that exists so you can understand how something like this is easily dismissed.
I however am not doing that.
Thank you in advance. 


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Hi Biker 27,

To address some of your points: How have the goings on at Macarthur's youth camps stayed hidden?  It's my belief that children who have taken part in Macarthur's camps have been traumatized by the mud and the handling of dead animal parts, etc.   But why don't the parents know about what's going on in these camps and the nature of these camps?   One reason is because they have trusted that John Macarthur is a born again Christian and that they are sending their children to Christian camps and even if parents have become aware of the dead animal heads and the mud games, etc, many may view this as some harmless fun without having knowledge of the occult agenda behind these games.  

What has been done to confront Macarthur?  I couldn't say how many parents have been alarmed enough by these camp games to call Grace Community Church.  But I can tell you that they would be very hard pressed to confront Macarthur since it's my understanding that even Grace Community Church members are not allowed to make an appointment to speak with their "pastor."  I can tell you that I have twice waited in long lines after his sermons to speak with Macarthur and only then was I allowed about 30 seconds of his time while surrounded by his armed guards before being escorted to the sidewalk where I was threatened with arrest...so the notion of confronting Macarthur is practically impossible.  Also, I know from experience that he would lie anyway even if confronted. 

You state, "Its almost impossible for me to link these videos or pictures back to a page that is directly linked to GCC."  That doesn't come as a surprise to me.  I know that several pics have come from the videos posted on the Camp Regen website which promote the camp.  Past year's promos may have been deleted from the Camp Regen page.   I have seen many camp pics posted on the Grace Church High School ministry page and if I recall correctly it was a facebook page.  On another thread in this forum are many pics of Macarthur's Jr High School camp which isn't Camp Regen.  Between Camp Regen and the Jr High Camp, I have seen perhaps a hundred photos and several videos.  I don't how many have been deleted.     

You say, "I can not warn my other church members unless I have undeniable evidence."  These pictures posted have all come from either Macarthur's Camp Regen or from his Jr High camp.  And these pictures show kids handling many animal heads...they show several pictures of kids playing around a pig's head on a trash can and they show pictures of kids in mud, kids with face paint, etc.  I suggest you view the pics at John Macarthur's Druid Festival and click on the links to see if they have all been deleted.  Also, I suggest you have your church members read the entire article at that link to see evidence that Macarthur is a Freemason, and a Druid.

I just looked at the Camp Regen promo video for its past Glorieta, NM camp on the "John Macarthur's Druid Festival" article and the events and pics are there clearly linking it to John Macarthur and to Grace Church.  I just took a screeshot of this pic below of a pig's head on a trash can from that Camp Regen video.

Camp Regen Pig's head.jpg 

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Perhaps this picture will be a bit more compelling, at least regarding a connection between Camp Regen and The Master's College.  I wrote an article in 2016 about Regen because my granddaughter was exposed to their nonsense: http://www.christianresearchservice.com/camp-regens-insane-fun-games/.

Camp Regen 2012 4.JPG 

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DC,  Thanks for posting that picture.  In one shot we have Camp Regen, The Master's College, and the kids playing around the dead pig's head on a trash can. 
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