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I'm stunned to read this.  Last Easter I was kicked out of the car of the man who organized the Strange Fire conference, for refusing to deny that Jesus came to me in an awesome, amazing dream in 1973, after I suffered horrors in my teens from a mother who had worked a Ouija board.  His name is Travis Allen, and in the 2011 Grace Community Church Form 990 he is listed as the Director of Internet.  He was hired by Grace church in Greeley, CO, as a "teaching pastor" after they fired their pastor--and one of the reasons was because he was hard to work with!  
     I had taken a wheelchair cab on Easter to this town where I was baptized in 1974, with the intent of seeing the widow of the pastor who had baptized me.  My friend wasn't there however, but I got into a conversation with a man with whom I briefly explained the wonderful dream I'd had of the Lord shortly before my baptism, and unknown to me, this man whispered in Travis's ear that I was talking about a "mystical experience."  
     All I knew was that Travis invited me to dinner at his house.  I declined, as I'm in a powerchair.  He insisted, saying his kids could take my chair back in the church, and carry me into his house.  I was SO NAIVE.  I REALLY thought my "brother in Christ" wanted me to share Easter dinner with him and his family.  Ha.  As we left the parking lot, he turned around and said (with an ugly expression on his face), that he didn't want me talking about a "mystical experience."  
     I informed him I won't deny that Jesus came to me in this dream (and BTW, in the years prior to this dream, I had suffered horrors as a kid, from a mother who had become demon-possessed following her use of the Ouija board when I was 11, although I didn't understand then what was wrong with her.  Jesus came to me in this dream as a precious gift as I suffered so much, and what He said is right out of the Bible).  At any rate, Travis turned the car around and kicked me out of his car.
     As I sat there shaking and crying in his parking lot, awaiting my wheelchair cab, he informed me that I have no fear of God (??!), and that we're all going to stand before Him in judgement some day.  I asked him why he even invited me to dinner, and he said, "Because I wanted WITNESSES."  Jesus said if someone offends you, go to him in private and tell him, and if he doesn't listen to you, THEN take witnesses.  At any rate, I subsequently have read that at Grace Community, shunning and shaming is quite common, and I shudder to think what Grace church in Greeley has brought upon themselves.  Incidentally, I sat next to Travis's son, and after the sermon, he stood up and flashed a prolonged Satanic salute at someone in the congregation.  Travis saw this but had no response.  He strained out a gnat of a mystical experience, then swallowed a camel of his own son hailing Satan in his church on Easter Sunday.  But then, these Satanic hand signals seem to be part of the heritage of Grace Community youth--I saw pictures of their Camp Regeneration, and what the youth do there.
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Rather than show love to you as a brother in Christ, Travis Allen kicked a man that requires a wheelchair out of his car.  And rather than praise God for His great work in delivering you from this world of witchcraft and darkness, Travis Allen, ridicules your conversion experience as "mystical," then invites you to his home just so that he can mock you and set you as a bad example for his family.  Incredible!  And this is supposedly a pastor of God's flock.

Jesus Christ came to you in a dream.  Why does Travis Allen think this is impossible and why label this as "mystical?"    Scripture has many examples of God speaking to men in dreams. 

I know of a Christian man who was a drunkard and one day when he was in a bar he heard Jesus Christ say to him in an audible voice, "Tom, follow me."  Since that time, this man has gone out to hand out one hundred million tracts all over the world.  I know a pastor who was riding in his car one day when he saw Jesus Christ appear in his car and he was told by Jesus to repent and he became a Christian. 

Travis Allen derides your conversion, but says nothing to his boss of Grace To You, John Macarthur, who by his own admittance has NEVER had a conversion experience.  (See John Macarthur's Non-Conversion Statement).

I know about Travis Allen and he has been exposed on the Watchmanwakes site.   So many that staff Macarthur's Grace Church have police/military backgrounds and Allen is no exception.  He is a former Navy Seal.  He also has a background in law enforcement and he was the pastor of Macarthur's Doulos Ministry.  He was also very well paid to be the "Director of Internet" at GTY.  Later he was promoted to a new position at GTY and received a raise to about 175 G's/year.

As I recall, Travis Allen was exposed for his false teachings which included KABBALISM.  You can scroll down John Macarthur's Police/Military to read more. 





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I was so glad to read your response--not glad at what I heard, but at least I am better understanding what happened to me.  And I'm grateful for your insight, that Travis ridiculed my conversion experience but did not praise God for delivering me out of the dark world of witchcraft and darkness.  I don't think it was an accident whatsoever now that when John MacArthur delivered his sermon in the 2014 Shepherd's conference before 3,000 pastors, midway through the sermon, the lights went out, and they sat in total darkness.  God's message was completely lost on the men interviewed however, who praised JM for continuing on, "unfazed" (I can imagine that!), with a flash light.  NOTHING is accidental in this life, and what were the chances they'd have a power outage?

You mentioned Travis's failure to show love to a brother in Christ, and you're right, the Lord commands us to love one another--"By this shall all men know that you are My disciples, if you love one another" (John 13:35)--but I'm afraid it's probably worse than him not showing love to a brother in Christ, as I'm a disabled WOMAN, a 9-year service-connected disabled veteran, and I told him that.  And it was amazing what you pointed out, that Travis derided MY conversion experience, but JM has never HAD one!  And I truly wonder about Travis's conversion as well!!!

And you're right, his intent in this fake Easter dinner invitation was to humiliate me before his wife and children, mock me and set me as a bad example--and display his "spirituality" to his new church, I have no doubt.  BTW, after Travis informed me that I have no fear of God and left, I actually left the rough draft of my testimony at the church door for my friend to edit (she has known me for 40 years, and believes me about this dream).  A few days later I received an unmarked envelope--and in it was my testimony.  Travis didn't even give it to her, nor has he had any remorse or repentance.

But here's the awesome part.  First of all, my cab driver was furious when he heard what had happened (he's known me for years, and I've been witnessing to him all that time--and he's not likely to come to Christ NOW that he's seen such unchristlike behavior).

But "There is no pit so deep that He is not deeper still," Corrie ten Boom used to say, and the Lord gave me a wonderful gift after that.  As I rode home, I opened my Bible, and could not believe what was before my eyes--1 Peter 4:14, "If you are insulted for the Name of Christ you are blessed, because the Spirit of God and of glory rests on you."  I could not believe what was before my eyes, and I read it to my cab driver, who was also amazed, so praise the Lord for that--He let me know it was not ME who was rejected; it was HIM, I was in fact "completing what was lacking in Christ's afflictions" (Col. 1:24). Awesome.

I have listened to all the Strange Fire CD's and am appalled at some of the things said in them (although I am not and never was charismatic).  You asked why Travis would be so disbelieving why about a "mystical experience."  It's because of the many scoffing, scorning things JM said in the conferences about them.  I have also heard him say scoffing things about people in trauma experiencing the "presence of Christ"--he has actually gone so far as to say that anyone experiencing the presence of Christ is having an experience demonic in origin.  

Can you IMAGINE the people in his congregation who either have or will be in severe trauma, who will cry out to the Lord in their anguish, and He will cradle them in His arms of love and give them the blessed gift of feeling His presence, and they'll be thinking the devil has shown up.

I truly don't understand how Travis could have heard over and over the Scriptural references JM gives though in the conference (1 Thess. 5:20-21, 1 John 4:1, and also he references the noble Bereans searching the Scriptures to "see if it were so" in Acts 17:11--then none of them does it.  They're supposed to biblically critique my dream.  I asked all of them to; in fact, on the Calvinist Dispensationalists Unite FB page, a Master's Seminary graduated named Lyndon Unger informed me he was going to read my dream (which is posted on my FB and Google Plus pages), critique it, and "show me my error."  After he read my dream I never heard from him again, but I love to share my dream with people as it gives me the opportunity to witness all the Scriptures that explained my dream to me to people I otherwise wouldn't have.

Incidentally, I wrote a negative book review of "Heaven is for Real" in 2011 in which I mentioned this dream, and that Jesus did not have the "rough but kind looking face" described by Colton Burpo.  He was perfect in beauty. He walked with His back to me on an arch-shaped bridge, with His head raised and His hands at His sides but with palms facing forward, and He was speaking a foreign language I couldn't understand.  He would stop talking in that foreign language and say in English, "Repent NOW.  Turn from your sin NOW."

There's a great deal more to the dream, and as I said, it's on my FB and Google Plus pages.  At any rate, my point is that after I wrote that book review, people expressed an interest in hearing it, so I wrote it out with all the Scriptures that explained it to me and it was shared on that website, then I was subsequently emailed for a year by Thomas Nelson publishing and Crossbow publishing to write a book about it.  I declined as I didn't want to profit from this gift I was given. It was bad enough I wasn't obedient to Him in His simple command to me, much less than I should profit from it, but I did write my testimony and have it printed in a booklet at a local print shop at my expense. 

But this dream actually WASN'T my conversion experience, I'm ashamed to say now, too.  I had read the Gospels when I was 17, and thought I was saved because I stood up in a Billy Graham "Decision for Christ" crusade to "accept Jesus as my Savior"--without repenting of any of my sins before Him.  In fact, I thought I was a "good" sinner, as my sins were nothing compared to the kids around me (or so I thought), then a year later I had that dream in which Jesus told me (among other things) to "repent NOW, turn from your sin NOW," again though, after suffering such severe trauma in my teens that I'd had to drop out of school for a few years.

I believe JM is a modern-day scoffing, scorning Pharisee, and the Lord has much to say about scoffers in His Word (He was surrounded by them in His life and as He died), and 2 Peter 3:3 says there will be scoffers in these last days.  There's no joy of the Lord in his manner, and there's none in his services either (and neither was there in the Easter service I went to).  BTW, regarding Travis's fake Easter dinner invitation to me, the Word says one of the "six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to Him...is a heart that devises wicked schemes" (Proverbs 6:16, 18).

I was struck by the contrast between JM and me: John takes such pride in his heritage, boasting about coming from a distinguished Scottish clan, a distant relative of General MacArthur and a fifth generation pastor, but he's had no conversion experience and derides dreams of Jesus as "mystical experiences"; while I couldn't humble myself more in sharing my testimony, that I was then a young girl who'd had to drop out of school and literally hide from my mother's numerous attempts to kill me (I'm very serious), someone who'd also had to sleep in a nursing home trash room/boiler room in Colorado winters to escaped the horrors of home (but who also has some awesome deliverance stories to tell), someone who was mocked, scorned, shamed and blamed by the Christians I was surrounded by in my teens because of my mother's ghastly behavior, yet Jesus Christ came to me, the least of these, in a glorious dream, may His Name be praised.

Lastly though, I need to remind everyone that the Lord commands us to love and pray FOR our enemies. People have asked me if I've forgiven Travis.  I do pray for him, especially that the Lord leads him to repentance, but I am deeply troubled by what I've discovered about GCC and Grace to You, and appreciate this website.



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Kr2726,

I am sorry to hear how you were treated by members of this cult, and I thank you for having the courage to tell what you did here, as I have told others on this forum, it may save others from suffering the way we have.  You bring up some examples of some things that are worth mentioning again to see how they apply to some of the other threads...

First of all, anyone who has any kind of dream, spiritual manifestation, vision, "mystical" experience, etc is automatically lumped into the "charismatic" category.  MacArthur and others in the cult have a dislike for all charismatics because they are one of a long list of groups considered as enemies of lordship salvation.  So, just having a dream or vision where you believe God has spoken to you they brand you in the same category as the extremes of the movement like slaying in the spirit and holy laughter, which MacArthur mentions in books like Charismatic Chaos.  The reason for this that I noticed is they seem to view God as watching us from a distance, and only intervening in affairs in subtle ways, while sending us church elders to rule and teach us.  They do teach you can be healed through prayer, but that any spiritual experience from God to you is the equivalent of adding to scripture, which is ironically the same thing they say about psychology.  Basically, whatever contradicts their doctrine is considered "adding to scripture."  I personally believe they are limiting God by saying He can't speak to you.

The other point I wanted to bring up is this exec was following the Restoration Process, and it sounds like he was taking step 2, confronting you with witnesses.  Your next step would be shunning, and you would probably lose a lot of friends.  I was told when I went through this process that God had turned his back on me and would stop hearing my prayers (causing bad things to happen in my life) and that on judgment day I would have to suffer the punishment for any unconfessed sin.  It's basically a blatant denial of the atonement and a misunderstanding of Matthew 18.

Also, the rudeness of this exec shows more of the tough love approach they like to use, comparing Christianity to joining the military with a "drill seargent" mentality.  I too share in the disgust expressed by watchmanwakes of how a supposed believer in Christ is showing utter contempt for the conversion experience of a fellow Christian.  It is appauling the way they believe your conversion is not genuine until you enter the lordship commitment and show progress.  It is them that have added to the Gospel.  Again, thank you kr2726 for sharing your experience, the more who validate the truth is the more potential that people will not lose time, money, or even their lives to this cult.

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Kr2716,

Thanks for sharing that and pardon me for being so presumptuous to think you had to be a man.  And that you're a woman makes what Travis Allen did even more appalling.  

I believe BJW's assessment that Allen had identified you as needing "restoration" due to your dream and he then needed to find witnesses.  I guess you can consider yourself fortunate that you never got far enough along in their process to be shunned.  Allen derides a dream where Jesus told you to "repent now."  That doesn't sound like a message from Satan to me and it's a message that I need to heed as well.   

Macarthur's annual pastors' conference has to be the biggest event for Grace Church and can you just imagine when Macarthur opens the conference in front of 3,000 pastors and mid-sermon, the entire place goes dark.  I agree fully that that is no accident and has to be a message from God...your ministry has been weighed and found wanting... Macarthur is proud to be called a "cessationist."  I hope God brings a "cessation" to his ministry.   

You are smart to wonder about Travis' conversion.  

"In his Asia Debrief, regarding a trip he took to Singapore with Phil Johnson, Travis talks about how the Chinese alphabet reflects Biblical truth and how God revealed biblical truths to Chinese through their alphabet and language.  This is Kabbalism." 


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 Incidentally, I sat next to Travis's son, and after the sermon, he stood up and flashed a prolonged Satanic salute at someone in the congregation.  Travis saw this but had no response.  He strained out a gnat of a mystical experience, then swallowed a camel of his own son hailing Satan in his church on Easter Sunday.  But then, these Satanic hand signals seem to be part of the heritage of Grace Community youth--I saw pictures of their Camp Regeneration, and what the youth do there.


These Satanic hand signals speak volumes and it's typical Pharisee behavior to strain at gnats while swallowing camels.
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Sorry, I hope I didn't come across as sounding like I in any way agreed with Allen. I do not believe that you in any way needed a "restoration " nor do I believe their process is Biblical. Also, the fact he tried something like this to a woman makes it even more inappropriate. If they were really non-denominational they could engage in a civilized debate and agree to disagree. Instead, they believe you can only be saved through their doctrines, which is one more reason I believe they are a denomination. I have seen them defend their beliefs to the point of screaming and using physical violence.

As you rightly pointed out, behind the scenes they do not practice what they preach. Kids flash Satanic hand signs and play pagan games with dead animals. Also, MacArthur claims to be anti-charismatic, but was eating a steak dinner once a month with Pentecostal Jack Hayford while I was there, and he even met once with Mormon theologian Robert Millett. Yet, they bash all of these things publicly. So, you are correct they are the ultimate example of Pharisees.
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Macarthur claims to be anti-charismatic while he was friendly with Jack Hayford and while he is a close friend of Greg Laurie, who is charismatic to the core.  Macarthur promotes Laurie and his Harvest Crusade in the following quote:

"I want to invite you to be a part of the Harvest Crusades -- a wonderful opportunity for you to bring friends who will hear the gospel of Jesus Christ presented by Pastor Greg Laurie. I believe God has His hand on this man, and I believe that the Word of God which he preaches is clear and penetrating. I want to encourage you that this is an opportunity for you to touch the life of someone for eternity. Bring them, and let them sit under the anointed preaching of God's Word and the gospel of Christ." (John Macarthur Teaching/Activities)
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Is John Macarthur for or against the Charismatic Movement?  Check out his double talk in the video below.

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I read Phil Johnson's response to you, Bob, and I am sorry that the actual issues you brought up were not addressed, but in typical Calvinist fashion, you had to suffer being called a "crackpot" and "lunatic." But you are actually in Very Good Company.  You see, Jesus was ALSO called these names, and you are sharing in His sufferings.  In John 10:20, "Many of them said, 'He has a demon, and is insane; why listen to him?"

Even though I have serious issues with John MacArthur, I considered Phil to be my brother in Christ--he's my FB friend, and I like the digitized Spurgeon sermons he posts.  He also makes several Scriptural posts which I enjoy reading.  I honestly think he loves the Lord, but John MacArthur has become his "god," his idol.  I am praying he chooses to follow Jesus, and not John MacArthur.  I wonder if Jesus asked him if he'd give up his position as GTY Executive Director and his well-paying job to follow Him, would he do it?  Would he give excuses why he can't follow Him now like the people in the parable He told in Luke 14:16-24?  Would he be unwilling to "leave the dead to bury their own dead" like the man in Luke 9:57-62?

To be honest, these were areas I myself fell in when I was young, but I am grateful the Lord has brought me to the point now of following Him no matter the cost, and I will speak out for His truth until the day He takes me Home, although I too have been called names, and even the friend whom I went to see at Grace church in Greeley last Easter (which resulted in my being kicked out of their new pastor's car because of my testimony) called me a "hate-mongerer" because I am standing up for what God says in His Word and am exposing wrongs in the body with things that false teachers say.

I would like to address some of the issues that have been brought up here.  Martha Mac of SO4J is also my FB friend, and I have made several posts on her timeline which she has deleted, the most recent one being on one of her MacArthur posts titled, "How To Share the Gospel With Your Kids."  She deleted it (instead of addressing the issues I brought up--I'm surprised she didn't call me names!), but I shared on my FB page one of MacArthur's posts in which he said:

"The world is asleep in the lap of Satan.  And when you and I come along and start rattling the world to wake it up, it's very very uncomfortable.  The world doesn't want to be disturbed.  And when we arrive and begin the disturbing message of sin, the disturbing message of judgement, the disturbing message of hell, we begin to rattle the world a little bit and they don't like it.  They're comfortable in the arms of Satan.  And the only response the world has is to hate the message and the messenger."

This was my response (which was also the response to SO4J's FB post, "How to Share the Gospel With Your Kids" which was deleted):

"I will be faithful to my Lord, not ANY man.  Would you want to 'share the Gospel with your kids' by sending him or her to JMac's Camp 'Regeneration' (a misnomer if ever there was one!)?  The world is asleep all right, and JMac's Camp 'Regeneration' is no exception.  I am truly distressed and horrified by what I SAW takes place at these pagan events (which Martha claimed were 'gossip and half-truths' in her post discrediting this website). Can ANYONE imagine Jesus or His disciples behaving in such a wicked, ungodly, depraved manner (or leading children to whom they were entrusted by their parents) as this?  Satanic hand signs (cf. Proverbs 6:13), body and face painting, dancing around the head of a pig (and kissing it too!) and the final insult, having these kids grovel in the mud just like a pig--not to mention the Freemason Skull and Crossbones flag flown at these Druid festivals.  'Regeneration' indeed.  This is not even sad, this is an outrage."  Then I posted a link a link to this website--in particular I asked people to click Section II sections 7 & 8.

I also made FB posts on JM's outrageous stance on the precious blood of Christ.  I liked you pointing out that in Exodus, that when God told the Jews to put the blood of the lamb on the doorposts, He said when He saw it He'd pass over.  You pointed out that God didn't tell the Israelites to hang the dead body of the lamb on the doorpost!  Here is a direct quote from MacArthur regarding the blood of Christ:

"You have to stop short of saying that we are saved by the blood of Jesus in the sense that there's some efficacy in the FLUID that poured out of His body.  When the NT talks about salvation by His blood it is not talking about His FLUID; it uses 'blood' as a metaphor, a synonym for death, because it conveys the violence of it (MacArthur has also stated raising your hands in prayer or worship,which Scripture repeatedly commands us to do, is a 'METAPHOR' of a holy life!). And we don't want to get caught in this BIZARRE notion that somehow in the actual FLUID that came out of the body of Jesus, there is saving power or saving efficacy."

(Whoa..., is all I could think when I read that).

Here is the post I made on FB regarding MacArthur's outrageous stance on the precious blood of Christ (please see the youtube video "John MacArthur Defends Himself on the Blood of Christ"):

" 'And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks of these matters.  There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable TWIST TO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION, AS THEY DO THE OTHER SCRIPTURES.  You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that YOU ARE NOT CARRIED AWAY WITH THE ERROR OF LAWLESS PEOPLE AND LOSE YOUR OWN STABILITY.  But grow in the GRACE AND KNOWLEDGE OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.  To Him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity.  Amen" (2 Peter. 3:15-18).

'So, 'The material blood of Jesus was no more efficacious (powerful, effective) to cleanse from sin when it was shed on 'the accursed tree' than when it was flowing in His veins'--who said this?  John MacArthur?

'NO!!!--it was MARY BAKER EDDY, the founder of the Christian Science cult (cf. Mary Baker Eddy, 'Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures,' 1910, p. 330)!!!  

'MacArthur seems to have forgotten that there were TWO elements in the atonement--death AND blood--to be remembered in the Lord's Supper:

'For I delivered to you as of importance what I also received: that Christ DIED FOR our sins in accordance with the Scriptures...' (1 Cor. 15:3); 'For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ DIED FOR the ungodly...' (Romans 5:6);

'But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the BLOOD OF CHRIST CLEANSES US FROM ALL SIN' (1 John 1:7);

'...to Him who loves us and has freed us from our sins BY HIS BLOOD...' (Rev. 1:5);

'...knowing that you were ransomed from the futile way inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot' (1 Peter 1:18-19); (contrast what Peter says about our Lord's blood here vs. MacArthur's blasphemous statement concerning His blood). 

'...and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the SPRINKLED BLOOD that speaks a BETTER WORD than the blood of Abel' (Hebrews 12:24).

'But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation), He entered once for all into the high and holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of HIS OWN BLOOD, thus securing an eternal redemption.  For if the BLOOD OF GOATS AND BULLS, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much MORE will the BLOOD OF CHRIST, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, PURIFY OUR CONSCIENCE from dead works to serve the living God' (Hebrews 9:11-14).

'Since therefore we have been justified BY HIS BLOOD, much more will be saved by Him from the wrath of God' (Romans 5:9).

'And if you call on Him as Father who judges impartially according to each one's deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile, knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, BUT WITH THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot' (1 Peter 3:17-19).

'But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the BLOOD OF JESUS cleanses us from all sin' (1 John 1:7).

MacArthur and his followers are going to be surprised if they are not taken in the Rapture, won't they.  Will they then take the Mark in order to "function," as JM says those who survive the Tribulation will have to do? One thing is certain, when God does not see the precious blood of His Son on John MacArthur, He is not going to pass over.

Final thoughts, I listened to the Strange Fire conference CD's (I'll make another post regarding that eventually), but it was striking to me that while Joni Eareckson Tada spoke in that conference of the deeper healing she has experienced in her quadriplegia, both she and her husband Ken, who were married by John MacArthur, are now FORMER Grace Community Church members.



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Take a listen to Travis Allen's "Asia Debrief" and keep in mind that this was/is one of John Macarthur's highly paid ministers. 

mp3 DL 13-0915.mp3   

In his Asia Debrief, regarding a trip he took to Singapore with Phil Johnson, Travis talks about how the Chinese alphabet reflects Biblical truth and how God revealed biblical truths to Chinese through their alphabet and language.  This is Kabbalism.  How characters of the Chinese alphabet are images revealing God, therefore the ancient Chinese worshiped the same God as Christians do.

He's teaching what sounds to me like comparative religion...parallels between Confucianism and Christian religion. Ancient Confucian fairy tales = theology...Confucius view of judgment: 10 courts of hell = purgatory ... reincarnation. "Where did Confucius' teachings come from?"  Romans 2: "Law of God written on their hearts".  We all came from Adam.  Travis teaches that the sacrifice of a bull by the Chinese emperor implies OT sacrificial system.  He reads Chinese version of Genesis 1,  then just mentions a worldly, sexualized rap video he saw in Singapore and tells group if they ever did a video like that they would be in trouble with GCC. 

Travis Allen was the pastor of Macarthur's Doulos Ministry whose symbol was a greek "D" within a pyramid.  This symbol has now been taken off the GCC website. 

 

 


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I have a few thoughts I wanted to add...

The video with MacArthur's teachings about Calvary Chapel is blatant lies and shows how the only way MacArthur can promote lordship salvation is to put down others who don't accept it.  The reasoning is if you are not accepting it you must be hiding something in your life, and he wants his followers to have the mindset that anyone "non-lordship" is living a licivious lifestyle.  I know nothing about what Calvary Chapel teaches but I have known people who have been members, and they are anything but "free sex and free drugs" or whatever the line was MacArthur used here.  However, if you dare speak out against GCC you are labled as judgmental and on a witchunt, as I was at the cult ed forum.  You can see when MacArthur is away from his home crowd he doesn't admit to the exclusivity of salvation held to by lordship churches, which will be harder to hide with the internet.

As for Martha Mac's site, I have a theory about it.  I knew a Mac family who was prominent there and one was a professor, Nouthetic Counseling author, and friend of MacArthur.  I don't know if there's a relationship, but I have a feeling the gaudy website is an "inside job."  One of my roommate's tasks was to write articles and letters attacking MacArthur's enemies, and with the internet I can imagine they are now having high ranking members do this online now.  This may also explain some of the blogs watchmanwakes and watchpray have encountered like "Truth or Trend" and the one Johnson was a member of.  This "attack and lie" motif was even present in MacArthur's own video on Calvary Chapel.

I agree with you, the blood of Christ doctrine is an abomination and is one of the things that started me on my path to questioning MacArthur.  I don't see how they can blatantly deny they teach this, I am willing to bet newer members are not even told about the blood of Christ doctrine, mark of the beast doctrine, or the exclusivity of salvation until they have been a member for a few years and have learned to trust MacArthur.  Thus putting up websites lying about it.  It also bothered me how Martha put a glow around MacArthur's body in the "false rumor" photo, talk about subliminal advertising.

I didn't listen to the exec's sermon yet, but it sounds like a form of religious syncretism.  I bet I could easily list more paralells between GCC and Scientology than he can that Chinese religion and Christianity.  Early occultists like Crowley and even L. Ron Hubbard on his St. Hill course taught similar doctrines, that you have to find bits and pieces of truth from wherever you can get it.  It's kinda a new agey approach to try to convert all religions to your belief, and seems more globalist than Christian.

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Brothers and sisters, I believe the Lord led me to the following discovery. It fits the Word of God. We are in the last chapter in Revelation.  

17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.

18 I TESTIFY TO EVERYONE WHO HEARS THE WORDS OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK:

IF ANYONE ADDS TO THEMGOD WILL ADD TO HIM THE PLAGUES WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK; [MacArthur added to the book when he said "you can repent later", after you have taken the mark of the beast.This is the opposite that Jesus said.]

19 AND IF ANYONE TAKES AWAY FROM THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THIS PROPHECYGOD WILL TAKE AWAY HIS PART FROM THE TREE OF LIFE AND FROM FROM THE HOLY CITY,  WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK.  [MacArthur took away the words of this book, when he ignored Jesus who said if you take the mark of the beast, you will go to hell]

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.

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Warren,
Excellent observation, I didn't think of it in that light before. He has also added his own words at the bottom of each page of the study bible of the book of Revelations. His mark of the beast doctrine, though not in the study bible, is definitely an addition to what Jesus said. It's ironic how he claims everyone else is adding to scripture.
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bjw, 

It is ironic, isn't it, that he accuses everyone of adding to Scripture; yet he and his followers can't see that all of his twisting of Scripture to substantiate his point of view, and his claiming that when the NT writers used the word "blood" when they wrote of the atonement and what His blood accomplished for us, that it was a metaphor for death, which is adding to Scripture right there.  Yet the Greek word for blood is "hima," and the Greek word for death is "muth."  If they meant death, they would have used the word "muth."  Additionally, Rev. 7:14 says, "They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." How can anyone wash their robes in "death"?

It's also the ultimate hypocrisy that OVER and OVER in the Strange Fire conference (I have the CD's), he quotes 1 Thess. 5:20-21 and 1 John 4:1, that we are COMMANDED not to despise prophecies, but to EXAMINE all claims in accordance with biblical criteria--yet neither he nor his followers do it.  They are scoffing, mocking Pharisees, who even advocate kicking a disabled woman out of a car because she won't deny Jesus came to her in a dream (after issuing her a fake Easter dinner invitation!).  I truly think Travis thought he was racking up points with God for doing that.

It's also interesting that throughout the Strange Fire conference, when JM quotes 1 Thess. 5:20, without exception, he fails to quote the first part of that verse, "DO NOT QUENCH THE SPIRIT."  He conveniently doesn't quote that verse, and then most significantly, the lights went out mid-sermon in his Shepherd's Conference 5 months later, and he had to continue in the dark.  He said, "I'm still trying to process why this happened.  I'll just leave it to the Lord."  God's message was completely lost on him.

 
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As an example of what I wrote above of JM twisting words, in the interview with Phil Johnson concerning JM's belief concerning the blood of Christ, Phil says, "There are people...I've read what they've said on the internet, saying that you don't believe it was necessary for Jesus to shed His blood for our salvation...could you just give us one more time, your view on the necessity of Christ's blood?"

Listen to JM's subtle twisting of words in his response. He says, "First of all, I have been completely misrepresented by people who said I do not believe that.  Of course I believe Christ had to DIE"--even in his denial of having denied Christ's blood, he denies His blood!!!

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Macarthur has a history of denying Jesus Christ and for years he taught that Jesus Christ only became the Son of God at his incarnation.  Has he repented on this issue as many believe?  According to The Masters Seminary Statement of Faith:

"We teach that, in the incarnation, the second person of the Trinity laid aside His right to the full prerogatives of coexistence with God, assumed the place of a Son, and took on an existence appropriate to a servant while never divesting Himself of His divine attributes (Philippians 2:5-8)."

According to Has Macarthur Changed his Position on the Sonship of Christ?:

"This statement implies that prior to the incarnation Christ had not assumed the place of a Son. Also it implies that Christ did not assume the role of a Son until the incarnation. However, the Bible teaches that Sonship is not a role that Christ played, nor is it a place that He assumed. Sonship relates to Christ’s essential identity. He has always existed as the Son; He has forever been in the bosom of the Father (John 1:18). Sonship is not something that He ever assumed."

Why is Macarthur always given a pass for his heretical teachings?  I think it's because since Spurgeon is dead, the reformed crowd views him as their last best hope and so they overlook his false teachings..
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This post is timely.  Just today I read Proverbs 8:22-36, which speaks of His eternal Sonship, and of course so does Psalm 2.  And yes, JM is always "given a pass" for his heretical teachings.   He believes identically with Mary Baker Eddy regarding the precious blood of Christ, and if asked concerning his view of her beliefs, I have no doubt Phil Johnson would be up in arms, but because it's his boss's view?  I am saddened by the answer to that question.
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It was Phil Johnson who formally defended Macarthur regarding his heretical mark of the Beast teaching.  Read Phil Johnson's "Unforgivable?". 

Proverbs 8:22-36 is a most beautiful passage. 

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.

33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.

35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord.

36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

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I'm deeply concerned now for my friend's church, which Travis Allen has taken over now.  You see, Greeley is a college town, and according to the wwwgracegreeley.org website, guys from TMS are going to Grace church to "preach" (recruit, I sadly realize now, for TMS).  One of the reasons they fired their last pastor was because he was "hard to work with."  They think Travis answered the call for a teaching pastor, but the truth is Satan came knocking on their door, and they said, "Come on in!"  

From what I've read here, I fear that Grace has now gone from a congregation-led church to authoritarian.  I read something Travis wrote about his role at GCC, and when church members weren't "getting it" (those were his words), it was up to him to straighten them out.  Travis was a Navy Seal and border patrol.  Being a border patrol would account for his shameful treatment of me last Easter, kicking me out of his car after inviting me to dinner with his family (and I'm a disabled woman veteran in a powerchair), because I refuse to deny that my Lord came to me in an awesome dream in 1973-they're reputed to be shamelessly cruel to women and children.  How a Navy SEAL and border patrol translates to "man of God" is anyone's guess.

I do pray for Travis because Jesus commands us to pray for our enemies, but I also pray that the Lord protects Grace church as well as the students in Greeley from him, and John MacArthur's influence as well.

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Hidden in Plain Sight: Is Travis Allen of Grace Greeley Church a CIA Operative?


You mention that Travis Allen was/is a member of the US Navy SEALs.  According to the Grace Greeley Church website:

"Raised in Golden, Colorado, Travis joined the US Navy in 1988, entered the SEAL Teams, and came to faith in Jesus Christ in 1990."

According to Wiki, Navy SEALS may work for the CIA: 

"All SEALs are male members of the United States Navy. The CIA's highly secretive Special Activities Division (SAD) and more specifically its elite Special Operations Group (SOG) recruits operators from the SEAL Teams. Joint Navy SEALs and CIA operations go back to the MACV-SOG during the Vietnam War." 

The CIA's Logo


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Travis Allen's Grace Greeley Church's "Act Like Men" Logo 



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Wow, I see it--the very same logo as the CIA.

t's mind-boggling, isn't it.  Like a cancer, these men from the Master's Seminary are metatastasizing to churches the world over.  And this man, Travis Allen, kicked me, a disabled woman veteran (a service-connected veteran with three letters of appreciation and two Good Conduct medals), a follower of Jesus Christ, out of his car after inviting me to Easter dinner with his family, for my truthful witness and testimony that Jesus Christ came to me in an awesome dream in 1973 after I suffered horrors in my teens from a demon-possessed mother; he has no remorse or regret; yet he informed me I have no fear of God and we're all going to stand before Him someday--and then he offers this class to his church, "Act Like Men," complete with CIA logo and all.  Appalling.
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They do like to push the military motif. When I was there one of the missions leaders was a military policeman and some at the college had been in the military,. They like to compare being a Christian to joining the military, and you aren't ready until you can make the commitment. The troll they had attacking me at the cult ed forum kept deriding me for having never enlisted, and said I was attacking GCC because nobody had properly taught me how to respect authority. This is common the way they stress obedience and submission. Also why things like Camp Regen look like a boot camp.
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Travis Allen is Teaching Marxism 

I just listened to a sermon Travis Allen gave on June 7, 2015 called Unity Through Diversity.  I listened to this sermon because 'unity through diversity' is the motto for Transformational Marxism.   

For example, the title of an article written on the Socialist Review is 'Unity in Diversity."  Within another article called Marx as Utopian it says, "The triumph of unity over diversity means that, for the utopians, including Marx, 'civil society, with its disturbing diversity, can be abolished.'"  It's well known that 'unity through diversity' is the goal of the global one world socialists. 

Travis Allen said the following in this sermon:

"Baptism is a ritual of initiation into the church." 

This statement alone should have been enough for Christians to run away permanently from Grace Greeley Church.  Is baptism a ritual of initiation?  This is terminology from the occult world.  Satan wants people initiated into his occult practices.  People enter into the Church through faith in Jesus Christ, the one and only way.  Baptism is an outward sign that we are dead with Christ and have been crucified to sin and to the world.  Baptism is not the way into the church and it is certainly no ritual initiation.  This statement of Allen's should be of great concern to Christians. 

Allen spoke of church members as "Life Long Learners." 

This terminology is also from Marxism and is promoted by the UN.  To be a 'life long learner' is the synthesis phase of the Marxist dialectic process and it means having the ability to always compromise God for the group or for the common good. 

"We minister for the common good." 

The way diversity is unified is by finding and embracing common ground or 'the common good' : Marxist terms.

"When we learn to truly appreciate this diversity, to embrace it joyfully...it's going to promote an attitude of unity among us."   

The very last thing Allen said in this sermon is this: "We are one body...We belong to one another." 

This is a bold lie.  All born again Christians are in the body of Christ and the family of God.  But do we 'belong to one another' as Travis Allen ended this sermon?  We belong to God and Jesus Christ having been redeemed by his precious blood.  




  

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Good points, and you have to remember loaded language is a big part of MacArthur's lordship doctrine, they love to provide their own meaning to words and phrases, so other churches may think they are alike but they aren't.
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Good job. You rightly stated, "We belong to Jesus Christ having been redeemed by His precious blood."  Don't forget that JM responded to accusations that he didn't believe it was necessary for Jesus to shed His blood for our salvation. "Well, first of all, Phil, let me say that I have been completely misrepresented by people who said I do not believe that.  Of COURSE I believe that Christ had to DIE..." 

He goes on to say Christ had to die a blood death, that it depicts all the imagery of the OT sacrifices..."Now having said that, we have to stop short of saying that we are saved by the BLOOD of Jesus in the sense that there's some efficacy in the fluid that poured out of His body, and I have tried to make that distinction, that when the NT refers to salvation by His blood, it is not talking about His fluid.  It uses 'blood' as a metaphor, or a synonym, for death, because it conveys the VIOLENCE of it.  And uh, we don't want to get caught into this BIZARRE notion, that somehow in the actual FLUID that came out of the body of Jesus there is saving power or saving efficacy."  

JM also hates people raising their hands in prayer or worship, yet Solomon did this three times in 1 Kings chapter 8, and we are exhorted to lift our hands in Psalms and 1 Tim. 2:8.  And JM also says when the Bible talks about raising our hands, it's a "metaphor of a holy life."  He twists Scripture to his own destruction (2 Pet. 3:16).  

And in what way is Travis preaching from God's Word when he advocates beliefs like that.  And what hypocrisy to say, "When we learn to truly appreciate this diversity, to embrace it joyfully (I wasn't very joyous when he kicked me out of his car over a theological difference), it's going to promote an attitude of unity among us."

The unsaved cab driver who picked me up that day, to whom I've been witnessing for years, slammed his steering wheel when he found out what Travis had done to me.  So much for "unity."  And he's not soon to come to Jesus any time soon after witnessing such despicable behavior, and it certainly distanced me from the friend I'd gone to see in Greeley, who did not defend me to her new pastor (even though she believes me about the dream I had, and is aware of all the Scriptures that even explained it to me).

I must say, though, from reading Travis's words, it's no wonder he graduated from TMS with high honors--he sounds like a good little MacGroupie.  I shudder to think what Grace Greeley has brought upon themselves.
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The symbol for Travis Allen's 'Act Like Men' ministry is also called the Compass Rose.  In The Scottish Rite Bulletin there is an article called The Compass Rose and The Philosopher's Stone Within the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry

"By the 14th Century the 12 compass points had grown to the full 32-point Compass Rose that we know today...[The CIA's Compass Rose is 16 points]

"The 32-point Compass Rose was also used within what is known as a Traverse Board, which was a tool used for dead reckoning onboard a ship and allowed sailors to keep check of time while sailing on each rhumb line tied to the winds and the stars.

"...It can be considered that one possible inspiration for the introduction of 32 degrees [of Masonry] could possibly have been the Compass Rose. Indeed, we know that the degrees serve as moral and philosophical lessons, upon which we can navigate our lives. By moving from one degree to the next, we can learn more about our journey through life, and mark our time spent by using the 32 degrees of the Scottish Rite, to peg our life events upon our own personal Traverse Board."


One Masonic Lodge is called the Compass Rose Lodge


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Thank you so much for your research!  No one else would have realized that Travis is teaching Marxism from his "Unity from Diversity" "sermon" (and how is his sermon expounding on the Word of God, it might be asked).  And no one else would have caught the significance of the Compass Rose on Travis' advertisement for his class, "Act Like Men," so thank you.
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The ministry is called "Act Like Men: Calling Men Back to Biblical Manhood."  Christians are born again into the family of God and are to be as children and are to act like Jesus Christ, the obedient Child of God and our example.  We are to act like Christ.  We aren't called to act like men.  What is the meaning of "biblical manhood?"  

   
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I went to the http://www.gracegreeley.org website again, and they are basing their "biblical manhood" conference on 1 Cor. 16:13, "Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, ACT LIKE MEN, be strong.  Let all that you do be done in love."

It's interesting to me that Travis could even think to hold a conference like this, exhorting men to "act like men" when his entire congregation knows that he kicked a disabled woman out of his car on Easter 2015, after issuing her a fake Easter dinner invitation.  He admitted he only invited me to dinner to set me up; he said "Because I wanted WITNESSES."  (Perhaps his new congregation approves his wicked behavior, though).

But is THAT acting anywhere NEAR our model of what men should be, Jesus Christ?  Is that letting "all that you do be done in love"???

I know a farce when I see one.  I'm thankful none of those people are in my life anymore!!!
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I was going through this thread this morning and don't remember if I posted this Scripture or not, in regard to the lights going out on Johnny Mac mid-sermon in his 2014 Shepherd's Conference, 5 months after the Strange Fire conference.

I said on several websites that I believe God's judgement fell on John MacArthur, and that the Holy Spirit spoke loud and clear to John MacArthur and his cronies, but of course John was deaf to what the Lord was saying, in his "commitment" to Sola Scriptura.

A couple MacGroupies accused me of seeing "bugaboos" in a "chance" occurrence.  I asked the Lord to give me a Scripture that proves NOTHING is accidental in this life, and praise His Name, He did!  He led me to Isaiah 45:7, "I FORM LIGHT AND CREATE DARKNESS. I make well-being and create calamity.  I am the Lord who DOES ALL THESE THINGS."

And I realize I may be sounding catty to say this, but I've been following sermons/classes at Grace church in Greeley (the church Travis Allen is now pastoring), and he recently had an "Act Like Men" series (complete with Rose Compass CIA logo as Bob pointed out--I never would have noticed, so thanks, Bob!), then I found on the Grace to You website that Travis wrote a "Listen like Men" article.

It seems to me that Travis has some issues here, like he's always trying to prove his masculinity.  Again, perhaps I'm being catty, but when I met him on that fateful Easter Sunday 2015, he squinted his eyes and waved his hand, and said with such pride, 'I organized the ENTIRE Strange Fire conference."  Others have posted on http://www.churchfinder.com and yelp.com (as well as the Grace church review site) that Travis is arrogant, and has already hurt people there at his new church.
 
It's sad to me that Grace fired their last pastor not only because "too often he was hard to work with" (that was in his church bulletin), but also because of his children's behavior.  1 Tim. 3 was quoted concerning the requirements of overseers, namely 1 Tim. 3:4, "He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church?"

I have seen repeatedly now among Baptists in particular a tendency to quote one part of a Scripture to substantiate their actions--while ignoring another.  Grace Baptist church knew of Travis's wicked, inexcusable behavior toward me for simply sharing my truthful witness and testimony regarding an awesome dream the Lord gave me in 1973, a young teenage girl coming out of severe trauma from a mother who became demon-possessed following her use of the Ouija board, and they were so quick to judge their former pastor because of 1 Tim. 3:4--yet they conveniently ignored the verses preceding it, and took no action whatsoever with Travis.

1 Tim. 3:2-3 says, "An overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, SELF-CONTROLLED, respectable, HOSPITABLE, able to teach, not a drunkard, NOT VIOLENT BUT GENTLE, NOT QUARRELSOME, not a lover of money."

Travis fails in nearly all points, and as one man stated on either churchfinder.com or yelp.com, Travis needs to find another job. 





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