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Preston Sprinkle of TMC and TMS is Building Sodom


Preston Sprinkle Graduated From The Masters College and Seminary


Preston Sprinkle graduated from The Master's College and then earned an MDiv from the Master's Seminary. (L).


Preston Sprinkle is the President of The Center for Faith, Sexuality, and Gender


Preston Sprinkle is the President of The Center for Faith, Sexuality, and Gender (L).  Sprinkle's Center is endorsed by Karen Swallow, the pro-LGBT Research Fellow of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC) (L).  Click here to read much more about Swallow.  Note that one Founding Fellow of the ERLC is Al Mohler, who is John Macarthur's close friend and a keynote speaker at his annual Shepherds' Conference.

Another endorser of Sprinkle's Center, Laurie Krieg, states, "The Center for Faith has the potential to change the Church in its relationship to LGBT+ people."

One of the Resources of the Center called Grace/Truth is described as having "
high-quality teaching videos including a documentary on LGBT people in the church." (L)


Preston Sprinkle is Scheduled to Speak at the Pro-LGBT Revoice Conference


Preston Sprinkle is also scheduled to speak at the 2018 Revoice Conference.  The stated mission of Revoice is "Supporting, encouraging, and empowering gay, lesbian, same-sex-attracted, and other LGBT Christians so they can experience the life-giving character of the historic Christian tradition." (L).

I know something about Revoice and its real purpose is to start a new "conversation" about homosexuality in the churches and among Christians with the goal to have Christians view homosexuality as being normative. 


Preston Sprinkle and His LGBT Friends

"A conversation with my LGBT friends." (L)


Is Preston Sprinkle a Jew?
 

After seeing that Preston Sprinkle looks Jewish, I checked and "Sprinkle" is a Jewish name.
http://www.avotaynu.com/csi/csi-result.html


Preston Sprinkle tells us not to use the Word Homosexual When Referring to People

"Preston Sprinkle, a respected Christian author on the subject of LGBTQ issues and the church, and author of Discussions Four and Five says:

"'I’d recommend never using the word homosexual when referring to people. That is, don’t use it as a noun, like, 'Hey, look at that homosexual.' You can say homosexual when referring to concepts or things rather than people.'" (L).

I guess Preston opposes God who referred to them as sodomites. 



  
   
   
   
   
  














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I'm not really sure what his position is on this, but it seems he is even writing books about this now.  One gay author had this to say about what he wrote, so I guess even some gays are not buying his stuff: (Note: article contains brief profanity)
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rolltodisbelieve/2017/04/25/preston-sprinkle-still-not-getting-it/

I looked on the center for faith website and it seems pretty confusing.  On one side he seems to be welcoming the LGBT people, then on the other he is offering them counseling.  I suppose this is an example of how being in lordship salvation can confuse a person.  Although Preston has left the cult, it seems he spiraled into the other direction being much more permissive than any lordship salvation church would be.
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I did some more exploring on the website, and the more I come back to that home page is the more this seems like it is an attempt to capitalize on the LGBT issue.  It's a hot button topic right now so all the attention has gone into writing book after book about it, I think he has like five books on the first page on it.  I hope I'm wrong and that he is sincerely wanting to help those people, but someone could make matters worse if they give them heretical doctrine.  I mean I wouldn't want to see them end up talking to nouthetic counselors or anything, but if they turn to this ministry, will they be discouraged from practicing homosexuality or will it be viewed as normal?  I'm going to have to look into this some more as it is hard to tell their view just from looking at the doctrinal statements.
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I just wanted to add here, I don't believe Preston is any longer affiliated with the cult.  He was running a ministry just 10 minutes away from the cult's campus and yet had no affiliation with TMAI or Grace Advance.  So, I'm not sure what his pathway has been from GCC to arriving at this.

It's interesting that back when I was there the position of the cult was that homosexuality was a disease that could be "cured" through nouthetic counseling.  They used to brag how there was a professor there that was gay that had been cured by nouthetic counseling and now has a wife and kids.  However, behind his back there were students that would make fun of him because of his voice and mannerisms.  Also, MacArthur fought the bill that would deny the Cal Grant to TMC students because they didn't want to build a gender neutral bathroom on campus.  (the real reason they fought it was probably losing the Cal Grant status would cost them millions of dollars and possibly make them have to lower the tuition)
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I mean I wouldn't want to see them end up talking to nouthetic counselors or anything, but if they turn to this ministry, will they be discouraged from practicing homosexuality or will it be viewed as normal?


These "ministries" Sprinkle is involved with want Christians to view homosexuality as being normative.  This is why they have to start or to continue a conversation (dialectic process).  God's Word condemns it all and it's that simple.  So their authority on the subject can't be God's word, but has to be their own group consensus or what they all have agreed to and feel good about.
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I just wanted to add here, I don't believe Preston is any longer affiliated with the cult.  He was running a ministry just 10 minutes away from the cult's campus and yet had no affiliation with TMAI or Grace Advance.  So, I'm not sure what his pathway has been from GCC to arriving at this.


How did Preston Sprinkle arrive at this since he was a member of GCC?  The answer to this question I believe is that at GCC, TMC, TMS, Sprinkle was required to take part in the small group dialectic sessions which taught him that God's word or God's authority isn't always the way to be followed, but often the group consensus should override God's word and that consensus is then to be followed.  So I would propose that what Sprinkle really obtained through his education was a change in the way he thought.  A change from a fear and obedience to God to a fear and obedience to man.  He learned to always be able to compromise God's word for the group consensus or for groupthink.  And this change in the way he thinks he has been able to communicate to others as they also become change agents now "unhindered" by God and His Word.  Because God's word is without ambiguity (on the subject of homosexuality), there must always be a dialogue or a group "conversation" when men want God's word to change.
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One gay author had this to say about what he wrote, so I guess even some gays are not buying his stuff: (Note: article contains brief profanity)
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rolltodisbelieve/2017/04/25/preston-sprinkle-still-not-getting-it/


Because Preston Sprinkle's didn't quote God's word in his writing, this gay author could write quite a long "refutation."  But if Sprinkle had only quoted God's word which condemns, then this gay author could have no reasonable response other than to simply ignore God's word.  So why didn't Sprinkle simply quote God's word?  Because he also doesn't believe it.  Maybe he thinks God's word is too harsh or too divisive or too unfair...who knows? 
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I'm not really sure what his position is on this, but it seems he is even writing books about this now.


"Preston Sprinkle is a professor, speaker, and a New York Times bestselling author." (L)

To be a NY Times best selling author tells me writing books has probably been a lucrative profession for Preston Sprinkle. 
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How did Preston Sprinkle arrive at this since he was a member of GCC?  The answer to this question I believe is that at GCC, TMC, TMS, Sprinkle was required to take part in the small group dialectic sessions which taught him that God's word or God's authority isn't always the way to be followed, but often the group consensus should override God's word and that consensus is then to be followed.  So I would propose that what Sprinkle really obtained through his education was a change in the way he thought.  A change from a fear and obedience to God to a fear and obedience to man.  He learned to always be able to compromise God's word for the group consensus or for groupthink.  And this change in the way he thinks he has been able to communicate to others as they also become change agents now "unhindered" by God and His Word.  Because God's word is without ambiguity (on the subject of homosexuality), there must always be a dialogue or a group "conversation" when men want God's word to change.

This is something I hadn't considered and I think you may have hit the nail on the head here.  A typical TMC student/GCC member is herded into various groups upon joining the cult.  The average member's weekly calendar is scheduled full of groups the person must attend throughout the week.  (I was actually in one of Preston's groups.)  The member usually has to go to a small group (Bible study, mingling), discipleship/accountability group (group confession of sins, shaming), missions group (meeting to plan how you witness and where you are next going during the next break or missions week), college group (age appropriate group at GCC or satellite church), and there are actually more groups than this.  They make sure you have very little time to think on your own.  The groups are led by either a wow staffer or church elder, who always steers the discussion to reflect MacArthur's opinions, disagreeing with the group consensus will get you the restoration process.  The opinions are reinforced through anger and intense peer pressure.  It was often that I saw kids gradually learn to reject the Christianity taught to them by their parents and replace it with lordship salvation, reflecting MacArthur's opinions more and more.  It was not uncommon for families to basically lose their children during their four years at the cult's college, since their kids pretty much stay in the cult and even marry someone who was already a cult member.  

You are correct that Preston was put through this dialectic group process as it is emphasized in this cult.  It was the first thing I thought uncomfortable when I first joined and I called my father to discuss it with him.  He thought it sounded strange and started looking in to everything I would tell him about that I was learning.  It is definitely possible Preston could have fell into this dialectic group mindset and, even though he is no longer part of GCC, is falling back into this same type of thinking elsewhere.  This is one aspect of this cult that not many know about but it should definitely be exposed.
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Just wanted to add one more thing regarding the small groups that I thought was worth mentioning.  They usually have you in more than one small group, so I should have put an "s" after it in my previous post.  The church has you in one, then at the college your dorm usually has one, then the hall inside the dorm has a separate one, in addition to all the above groups.  On top of that, wow staffers have to go to a separate group for their study and to report on their students.  (each wow staffer is assigned a list of students to observe and report on, and the information is discussed and sent to the execs)  Also note that each group uses a different book for it's current study, with the exception of the accountability group whose purpose is confession, so you are basically submerged in a whirlwind of confusing information.  This is all added on top of your service that is expected as well as the 3 chapel services and 2 church services you must attend each week, plus if you are getting counseling you go to that, plus you then have your regular classes and studies.  As with most cults, this is to keep you so busy and active you never have time to stop and ask questions.

I think this topic could be a total separate discussion in itself.  It's my belief that, next to the counseling and heretical doctrines, this is the third most destructive aspect of this cult because it is a way to sway a person's opinion through the intense peer pressure and anger without them really even realizing it.  Basically it is just mind control.
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Because Preston Sprinkle's didn't quote God's word in his writing, this gay author could write quite a long "refutation."  But if Sprinkle had only quoted God's word which condemns, then this gay author could have no reasonable response other than to simply ignore God's word.  So why didn't Sprinkle simply quote God's word?  Because he also doesn't believe it.  Maybe he thinks God's word is too harsh or too divisive or too unfair...who knows? 

This is another good point.  I didn't like how the gay author kept saying that Preston believes the Bible is a moral trajectory, in that it starts with a moral position that is too harsh and then gradually lightens up being more permissive toward the end.  If Preston is preaching this he is very confused about the Bible and Christianity in general.  The Bible is authoratative in absolutes and leaves no wiggle room.  As with MacArthur, he has no understanding of why the Old and New Testament are in different styles, since MacArthur denies the role of the blood of Christ and the Atonement fulfilling the Mosaic Law.  While MacArthur denies the fulfillment of the law, Preston here is claiming the same thing only that God decided to "lighten up" on the law toward the end of the Bible in the New Testament.  In my opinion this is also a heresy just as bad as what MacArthur teaches.  The New Testament contains standards that are applicable under the new covenant that are not subject to negotiation, there is no "trajectory."  Homosexuality is condemned in the New Testament as well as the Old, and I don't see how this view could even make sense unless someone was very liberal.  The New Testament after the Atonement no longer enforces the mosaic law, but it does have specific standards the church is expected to abide by.  I'm not saying we are saved by keeping any laws, but a person that is saved uses these standards as the guide to how to live their life.  Preston needs to start with the book of Acts and read all the way to the book of Revelation, he will see the New Testament is not a "trajectory," and there is a reason the New Testament differs from the Old, especially in the book of Romans.
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The headline of the Revoice Conference website where Sprinkle will be a speaker is as follows:

"Supporting, encouraging, and empowering gay, lesbian, same-sex-attracted, and other LGBT Christians so they can flourish while observing the historic, Christian doctrine of marriage and sexuality"

The truth is that gays, lesbians, and other LGBT can't be Christians while still gay, lesbian, and LGBT.   Homosexuals who believe in Jesus Christ will be born again and their old self or old man with his lusts or flesh will die with Jesus on the cross.  And as Jesus rose, the former homosexual will have also risen with a new heart and a new Spirit and a new life.  And if he was truly born again and went back to sodomy, then his Father in Heaven would chasten him severely.  So there can be no LGBT Christian and all LGBT who think they are Christians or children of God are only fooling and deceiving themselves...


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"You are correct that Preston was put through this dialectic group process as it is emphasized in this cult.  It was the first thing I thought uncomfortable when I first joined and I called my father to discuss it with him.  He thought it sounded strange and started looking in to everything I would tell him about that I was learning.  It is definitely possible Preston could have fell into this dialectic group mindset and, even though he is no longer part of GCC, is falling back into this same type of thinking elsewhere.  This is one aspect of this cult that not many know about but it should definitely be exposed."

Having studied this dialectic process for quite some time, I know that the goal of the group leader/facilitator is to make sure that all who participate in the group receive a new paradigm.  A paradigm is a "way of thinking."  A traditional paradigm is a way of thinking that obeys authority--which means to obey God while a "transformational" paradigm means to receive a way of thinking that can easily compromise authority in favor of the group consensus.  And like you said, those who enter the group with a traditional way of thinking will be attacked by the group leader and labeled things like being divisive or being intolerant and hateful.  And if that person was to continue to hold to the truth against the group consensus, then they would suffer social alienation.  So it's really the fear of man that pressures a person to start to compromise Truth for the group consensus.  The person's conscience will have been seared by his compromise, but he would again be accepted by the group.  Then before long, this person, like Preston Sprinkle, would be able to evangelize this process to others "converting" them into agents of change.  So these facilitator-led groups are really a most sophisticated ungodly mind bending process that Christians should never participate in.
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The headline of the Revoice Conference website where Sprinkle will be a speaker is as follows:

"Supporting, encouraging, and empowering gay, lesbian, same-sex-attracted, and other LGBT Christians so they can flourish while observing the historic, Christian doctrine of marriage and sexuality"

The truth is that gays, lesbians, and other LGBT can't be Christians while still gay, lesbian, and LGBT.   Homosexuals who believe in Jesus Christ will be born again and their old self or old man with his lusts or flesh will die with Jesus on the cross.  And as Jesus rose, the former homosexual will have also risen with a new heart and a new Spirit and a new life.  And if he was truly born again and went back to sodomy, then his Father in Heaven would chasten him severely.  So there can be no LGBT Christian and all LGBT who think they are Christians or children of God are only fooling and deceiving themselves...



I don't know why they just can't see this.  I think Preston still has some of the hogwash he learned in lordship salvation in his brain and can't get rid of it.  It's almost like he is now teaching a "soft" version of lordship salvation.  As you said, a new believer rises with Christ with a new heart, Spirit, and life.  He is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, who is the motivator to help us live a Christian life.  On the other hand, lordship salvation does not teach this, but instead says you must live a life of constant obedience on your own efforts, even obeying the Old law as well as the New Testament.  For Preston to reconcile his view of LGBT with this, the only way it can fit in is to say that God moved toward a set of morals like a trajectory, going closer and closer to the correct view over the years.  Why can't they see that the differences are the Atonement of Jesus Christ and not simply God giving stricter laws and then lightening them up as time goes by.  With that logic, since 2,000 years has gone by, does that mean that crimes like murder and robbery are now ok?  This type of thinking leads to a slippery slope no matter what way you look at it.  MacArthur does not understand the Bible or the difference between the Old and New Testament, and unfortunately people who have studied under him graduate just as confused.
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I didn't like how the gay author kept saying that Preston believes the Bible is a moral trajectory, in that it starts with a moral position that is too harsh and then gradually lightens up being more permissive toward the end.  If Preston is preaching this he is very confused about the Bible and Christianity in general.  The Bible is authoratative in absolutes and leaves no wiggle room.  As with MacArthur, he has no understanding of why the Old and New Testament are in different styles, since MacArthur denies the role of the blood of Christ and the Atonement fulfilling the Mosaic Law.  While MacArthur denies the fulfillment of the law, Preston here is claiming the same thing only that God decided to "lighten up" on the law toward the end of the Bible in the New Testament.  In my opinion this is also a heresy just as bad as what MacArthur teaches.  The New Testament contains standards that are applicable under the new covenant that are not subject to negotiation, there is no "trajectory."  Homosexuality is condemned in the New Testament as well as the Old, and I don't see how this view could even make sense unless someone was very liberal.  The New Testament after the Atonement no longer enforces the mosaic law, but it does have specific standards the church is expected to abide by.  I'm not saying we are saved by keeping any laws, but a person that is saved uses these standards as the guide to how to live their life.  Preston needs to start with the book of Acts and read all the way to the book of Revelation, he will see the New Testament is not a "trajectory," and there is a reason the New Testament differs from the Old, especially in the book of Romans.


I got this impression as well from Preston and you have very well refuted his heresy as I understand it.  Maybe it's right to say that Jesus came to fulfill the law which has now been written in our hearts and Christians fulfill the righteousness of the law.  
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That's is exactly right, and it is what anyone who was trained under MacArthur can't understand.  During one nouthetic counseling appointment my counselor was trying to find verses in the Old Testament with different aspects of the law I should be applying to my life.  I used the very verse you are referencing about how the law is now written in our hearts, as well as Christ being the end of the law for all who believe, and I forget the reference but there is also a verse that says the law is a shadow of things to come and a taskmaster.  He tried to argue back that we still have to obey the shadow of things to come in addition to what has come, and that if the law was a taskmaster we must still obey the taskmaster.  He could not get his mind around the fact that Christ writing the laws in our hearts has to do with the Holy Spirit and how we are a new creation in Christ when we are saved.  He kept pushing the saved by obedience motif.

I was at GCC one night for the night service and MacArthur was preaching on Romans 8.  When he got to verse 4 he actually said, "and we see in this next verse that Christ enables us to fulfill the law."  I was shocked when I heard that and I looked around to see if anyone else caught that and had a problem with it.  Not one person even looked troubled by it, I just saw hundreds of people just taking notes hanging onto every word the man said.  They believe that the word "believe" is mistranslated in the Bible and actually should be "obey," since MacArthur's thesis that his theology is built on is that the Greek word pisteo/pistus is mistranslated and every time it is translated as believe or faith in the Bible it was supposed to be obey.  This type of misinterpretation opens up to a lot of false doctrine, such as interpreting Christ being the end of the law for all who believe to Christ being the end of the law for all who obey.

I agree with how you put it.  Jesus fulfilled the law and wrote it on our hearts, which is what enables the Christian to fulfill the righteousness of the law, which I believe is by following the guidance of the Spirit in our lives.  I think the difference is it is the result of our salvation instead of being how we earn our salvation.

This would explain Preston's confusion in this.  The standards of the Bible never changed, they were fulfilled and written on our hearts.  We are guided by the Spirit to walk in good works.  When a person doesn't know this, they have to keep looking for justifications and inventing ways to make it look like God simply lightened up the standards over the years.
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WatchmanWakes and BJW,

There may be another explanation for Preston Sprinkle's involvement in LGBT activism. In his research of the "REVOICE LGBT+ Queer Christianity Conference", Tom Littleton discovered that "major institutions in the Southern Baptist Convention and Presbyterian Church of America are actually training LGBTQ activists and advocates for inclusion of “sexual minorities” in the churches – in ministry positions and even as “theologians” of LGBTQ and Queer Theory."

Tom discovered that the founder and president of Revoice was
one of Albert Mohler's SBTS seminary students, Nate Collins, whose curriculum vitae reveals that, as a SBTS student, he was writing theological papers, such as "Theological Perspectives on Non-Straight Sexuality, Gender Identity, and Sanctification” which advocated for inclusion of "LGBT+ (plus stands for other sexual minorities) Christians" in Evangelical churches. Also, during his seminary training Nate Collins was (and still is) a member of the radical LGBT organization, LOVEboldly, which is holding a "Devoted for Youth Pastors" Conference on October 30 to recruit youth pastors to take their sexual perversion into evangelical church youth groups. Nate identifies as a "homosexual in a mixed orientation marriage"!

I also know that that TMC and TMS students are being subtly indoctrinated in liberal theology through books such as MacArthur's Slave: The Hidden Truth About Your Identity in Christ, which is documented throughout with references to books by heretical authors, such as Dale B. Martin, a homosexual who wrote Slavery as Salvation which likens Christianity to slavery and another blasphemous book titled Sex and the Single Savior which portrays Jesus as a homosexual.

With these facts in mind, it doesn't seem much of a stretch to suspect that, if Southern Baptist and PCA seminaries are training their students to be LGBTQ advocates and activists, other Evangelical seminaries may be doing the same, especially those with close ties to Mohler and SBTS, such as MacArthur, TMC and TMS. So, it's entirely plausible (to me) that Preston Sprinkle could have been trained for LGBT advocacy and activism when he was a student at TMC and TMS.

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Watchpray, Jesus tells us about "The Jews who are not but do lie and are the Synagogue of Satan." What Jews do we see destroying Christianity as leaders of Satan's synagogue? We see Peter Drucker, Rick Warren, John MacArthur, Al Mohler, and probably Preston Sprinkle. And it could be stated that this synagogue's branch which is now destroying Christianity is called Freemasonry. And this is what connects these men. Peter Drucker's father, Adolph, was the Grandmaster of the Grand Masonic Lodge of Austria. Drucker's protege's, Rick Warren (Purpose Driven) and Bob Buford (Leadership Network) have ruined the churches. Then we see John Macarthur's great grandfather, Thomas Fullerton, was the grand master of the Grand Masonic Lodge of Canada. And we know that the Southern Baptist Convention with Al Mohler, is controlled by Freemasonry. So pushing this gay agenda with the queering of Christianity is the latest hand being played by Satan's synagogue and its evil leadership. And so I agree with your thesis that Preston Sprinkle is a well connected player
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I have more to add on this, but I wanted to validate something watch-pray posted about that I saw years ago.  I visited a PCA church just 15 minutes from my house around 10 or so years ago and they had an article from the San Francisco Chronicle pinned to the billboard in the lobby.  I shook hands with the pastor and he pointed it out to me about how proud he was of what was in the article.  It said that at a PCA church in San Francisco the first lesbian presbyterian minister had received her ordination.  I was shocked when I saw that as well as how open the pastor was with someone he barely knew about how proud he was over something that controversial. 

This was also my first encounter with the "social gospel" and liberal theology.  I say that because in the five or six times I visited this church I could not figure out their doctrines.  Even at GCC you would walk away knowing a few fundamentals even though they usually don't mention the deep aspects of lordship salvation.  This church was even worse than GCC at covering up what their doctrine was, as each service was mostly warm-fluffy stuff like you would find on a hallmark greeting card, no real doctrine was covered and the music took up the bulk of the service.  I also noticed this church was advertising the Rick Warren Purpose Driven materials heavily in their lobby.  

This leads me to believe there is an agenda with some of these denominations to downplay the Bible as "outdated" and from reading this tread it makes more sense how this is fitting in with this globalist agenda.  I think Preston is caught up in this same type of thinking.  What makes it worse is it gives ammo that heretics like MacArthur can use to further ensnare those that have been duped into lordship salvation, since their whole premise is that everyone who rejects lordship salvation has accepted "cheap grace" and is not saved.  They can now point at these ministries to try to prove their point, even though these ministries do not represent all Christians.  With a TMS graduate involved, it becomes obvious that both sides are being used in the grand scheme of things to move toward a one world religion.  The money trail goes back to the same people, so it is a Satanic agenda.
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I would like to add to what BJW has said by noting that the social gospel we see today in nearly all churches has as its purpose to reconcile man with man rather than man with God. And so this is the globalist agenda to create a world peace without God. And if one looks further they will find that nearly all the denominations today are NGO's of the UN dedicated fully to that agenda. To say the churches have compromised the Word of God is a huge understatement.
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As believers we have two natures, the flesh and the spirit. What I believe we are seeing within these new church leaders is possession of only the flesh nature, but a flesh that has been "Christianized" with a seminary education or with some Leadership Network schooling. But at the end of the day, these church leaders still only have flesh. And what does God's Word say about flesh no matter the level of its education or of its degree of refinement:

"The flesh profits nothing."(John 6:63).
"They that are in the flesh cannot please God." (Rom 8:8).
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