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Followerofchrist said, "Sammy Williams is another connection. His wife was written about on this blog.  Sammy Williams is located in Goa India where he and his wife are missionaries. "

The following was written a while ago about the Williams'.

Missionaries or Restauranteurs? 


Being dissatisfied with the quality of coffee in Goa and realizing "that there were no nice air-conditioned, classy places to chill and hang out in the area," they started the Coffee Cove.  According to The Goan Foodie: "Coming to Goa from Pune, Nicole and Sammy Williams established their very own coffee shop after realizing their were not many options when it came to good coffee."  The Coffee Cove has an impressive dinner menu as well.  Their Dragon Chicken is only 220 Rupees. 

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Followerofchrist said, "Sammy Williams is another connection. His wife was written about on this blog.  Sammy Williams is located in Goa India where he and his wife are missionaries. "

The following was written a while ago about the Williams'

Missionaries or Restauranteurs? 


Being dissatisfied with the quality of coffee in Goa and realizing "that there were no nice air-conditioned, classy places to chill and hang out in the area," they started the Coffee Cove.  According to The Goan Foodie: "Coming to Goa from Pune, Nicole and Sammy Williams established their very own coffee shop after realizing their were not many options when it came to good coffee."  The Coffee Cove has an impressive dinner menu as well.  Their Dragon Chicken is only 220 Rupees. 


I found more interesting information on this topic.
Maybe a post needs to be dedicated to this subject, what do you think?

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They have everything from Zumba, to catering, to tutoring lessons, and more. As you can see the direct connections to TMS. I also found several people who liked and commented that are from TMS, Placerita Baptist Church, Lakeside Bible Church ( Kristen Del Aguila) wife of the music pastor at lbc), Matthew Hunter and his wife (deacon at lbc).

Nicole Williams is Coffe Cove commenter.


Sammy williams draws a pretty good salary from all the churches who support him plus since hes teaching at a pastors college there I have no doubt he is drawing a salary. I guess it pays off to go to TMS go in the mission field and in addition to this open your own business.



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The photo of Kellie Williams, she is an adjunct professor at The Masters Seminary.
I see she frequents going to the coffee cove in India.
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More examples of corruption, and I am glad you both are exposing these things.  Whenever corruption is allowed to flourish in an organization it becomes a fertile environment for crime to prosper.  This is why it is necessary to expose these things.  When you have phony missions being used as a front for restaurant businesses, and change agents being planted in churches because the cult doesn't want to build it's own churches but take over others instead, it is not much of a stretch to see the crimes that happen to people in these threads, such as couragehonor's son, brokenbutstanding's father, the rape victim at the seminary, etc.  Once the corruption is exposed, the veil covering the crime begins to run thin and the stories of these victims are that much more believable.
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BJW,  My take on what you're saying is that when the professing Christians aren't born again or are just worldly, then they don't have a desire to obey Christ.  What we are seeing here is worldliness.  And God's word says that if you love the world, then you don't love the Father.  Many in India are going to Hell, but these "missionaries" are worried about "classy places to chill" and the quality of coffee rather than focusing on how they can present the gospel. 

And you are right that this corruption leads to crime and to more actions that hurt others.  Remember the past thread about the Williams and how much they hurt the woman who commented here?  She spoke about how through Macarthur's influence, the Williams' had destroyed her family.  Let me see if I can copy her comment here.   


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This is the sad comment written from I believe the Aunt of the woman (Williams' wife) who owns the restaurant in Goa. 

"John MacArthur and his cult destroyed my family.  I have had PTSD for 8 years after being shunned and humiliated (and lied to and lied about) by my family.  My niece is one of his "missionaries" in India, unfriended me on Facebook because I was wearing a dress she deemed inappropriate and "As a minister's wife, I can't have my friends viewing that"  (Pride goeth before a fall)   She attended the Master's College where she was brainwashed, became judgmental, met a Punjabi man who claimed to be Christian, married him, moved to India and had 4 kids before she knew what hit her.  This girl was a beautiful, talented intelligent woman from a good family who was the apple of her grandparent's eyes.  She could play the piano like nobody else.   She and my sister began abusing my dying father when my mother passed and they actually showed up at his funeral dressed like members of ISIS!  He was a very dedicated Christian man and I found that extremely offensive but I didn't say anything.  Then they disowned me because I must not be saved because they don't see fruit.  I am not accountable to them for my fruit, only God.  They don't know what I have or have not done and it is none of their business.  What does the Bible say about going into a dark closet and not bragging?-they already have their reward.  Also the fake apology for HER indiscretions "I am sorry that YOU feel the way that YOU do."  No responsibility,.  They killed my father to get his money and I believe gave it all to MacArthur. (It was around half a million) I almost lost my faith.  Thank you so much for posting this. I have thought I was going to Hell for 8 years and that I was the bad one.  Because they call themselves Christians and I couldn't find any legitimate source saying otherwise, I have been struggling with this forever.  He is the Benny Hinn, The Peter Popoff, The Jim Jones of the upper-middle class.  My family took my money but when I started seeing the heresy and my sister told my dying father he wasn't "giving" enough, I stopped giving.  Shortly after, they disowned me.  Since it is dirty money in that I am going to hell and all, shouldn't they send that back to me?"
http://johnmacarthur.forumchitchat.com/post/john-macarthur-and-his-cult-destroyed-my-family-8228545?pid=1293796532
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Right, it is definitely worldliness.  They brought the coffee shop culture of GCC with them to India and made a business out of it to make a profit.  Sad.  It's also sad to see another family torn apart by this cult and the destructive restoration process policy.  Her own family turned on her and told her she was going to hell.  I know how she feels about worrying if people will believe it because I thought nobody would believe me when I first started talking about it online, and now with more and more people saying the same things everyone is just confirming each other's stories.  I hate it they swindled her for a half-million dollars.  I know I am still paying on my loans from when I was there, so to this day I am still being impacted financially by the cult even though I have nothing to do with them.  That much money is bad though, it's too bad there wasn't a way for her to recover some of it.  GCC has people sign so many waivers there's probably no way she could get any back even if fraud could be proven.  Hopefully more people will hear about this and some good will come of it though.
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BJW,  John Macarthur is like the Teflon pastor upon which no truthful accusation ever seems to stick.  But we can be encouraged to see that by your testimony along with some others-- this woman, who has suffered from so much abuse at the hands of the Macarthur-ites, has found a bit of comfort in at least knowing she isn't alone.
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They have everything from Zumba, to catering, to tutoring lessons, and more.

Sammy williams draws a pretty good salary from all the churches who support him plus since hes teaching at a pastors college there I have no doubt he is drawing a salary. I guess it pays off to go to TMS go in the mission field and in addition to this open your own business.


I can understand the need for a missionary to have a job.  I believe the Apostle Paul made tents.  But it does look like the Williams' have put their energy into making this into a time consuming business rather than just an entity to make a living.  I also don't see evidence or the fruit of their missionary work.  When are they out in the field preaching the gospel?  It does look like they might have teaching of some kind at the coffee shop...

BTW, I'd like to add another thought because I know about Christians in India.  A true Christian who preaches the gospel in India will be attacked severely--both by Hindus and Moslems.  I know about one Christian who was hospitalized several times and I had a friend who financed a Christian to do missionary work in India and he was beaten so many times (1000+) that he finally came back to live in the US.  But the Macarthur-ites seem to only prosper when they go to India.  Why?  Because I suspect they aren't preaching the most offensive gospel to Hindus and Moslems, but teaching only their "leadership training" or "leadership development" which they learned at The Master's College or at The Master's Seminary. 
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John MacArthur and his cult destroyed my family...They killed my father to get his money and I believe gave it all to MacArthur. (It was around half a million)  He [Macarthur] is the Benny Hinn, The Peter Popoff, The Jim Jones of the upper-middle class. 


Well said.  But I think even Benny Hinn doesn't preach that it's OK to take the Mark of the beast as does John Macarthur.
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While John Macarthur's missionaries are concerned about the quality of coffee in India, Indian missionaries are losing their lives to preach the gospel there.  The following is an excerpt from an email I received today from an Indian missionary:

"The situation in the mission fields [in India] is not good, persecution is increasing every day, the door for Gospel is closing in India and Nepal. Because of prevailing situation, we have cancelled all our North India public Bible classes as these would expose the believers, majority of whom are first generation in the faith. Instead of big Bible classes we are moving into house Bible classes, where the saints are being taught the word systematically and encouraged to go and set an example before others. Please pray for the work in different parts of the country and Nepal. The work will never stop, but become more stronger and aggressive. There was a time we could have public conventions, Open air crusades, but the time has come for us to move on to the next level, house to house teaching. It strengthens the faith of the saints."

The email went on to describe how one young girl was killed in her church in India. 
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I wonder what the cult's cover is in India.  They surely must not be calling it Christianity the way they do in the states, maybe they are calling it a counseling organization or a communitarian organization.  I know when they would send the college kids into the Muslim countries they would have them pose as college professors.  There has to be some kind of angle here.  The Christians that sent you the email are in real danger, having to have their Bible studies in homes instead of public buildings.  At least they can still study the word of God.  The only thing the cult seems to be teaching is the cult's coffee shop culture from here in the states, which is fostered by all the work they force their cult members to do so that it gets to the point where they must drink large amounts of coffee to stay awake.  Seriously, I studied with a girl that had 12 cups in one day once.  They even drink the extra strong stuff like espresso in the evenings to stay awake and pull all-nighters at times.  Having to go to nearly a dozen small groups, witness to people right and left, perform service projects, plus study, it all takes it's toll on a person after awhile.  I wonder what else the cult is bringing to India besides the coffee shop culture?  Whatever it is, it can't be good.
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BJW,  To be in Macarthur's cult is surely to be in a very legalistic bondage: Do this and don't do that..  

What is the cult bringing to India?  I don't think it is good.  It looks like they will be teaching the Indian people "leadership training" as taught by those who have already been brainwashed at TMAI India (Macarthur's The Master's Academy International's branch in India).  TMAI teaches the same agenda as the Leadership Network and not the gospel of Jesus Christ.  So these Indians will be learning how to become "leaders" or "change agents" busy making and training more change agents through the ungodly process of "consensus building" among the Indian diversity.  Their motto will be something like "unity in diversity."  Will they be teaching faith in Jesus Christ?  They will be training how to compromise Jesus Christ for their group consensus.  They will be teaching unity at the expense of truth. 

Here is the link to TMAI India
https://www.tmai.org/school/india/

Of interest, years ago according to the GCC website, it was Lorena Jaeb and her husband who founded and financed TMAI.  But once it was publicly exposed that Lorena Jaeb was a Governor of The Council for National Policy (CNP), a treasonous and globalist org., all mention of the Jaebs was removed from the GCC website and the Jaeb's, who were Macarthur's principle financiers, had been hailed on the GCC website as heroes until then.
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Here's something not surprising:
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Upon invitation from different national denominations and churches, the faculty of PTS often travel to various parts of India to train pastors and leaders in expository preaching and to strengthen local churches. PTS has graduated 54 men and seen over 20 churches planted in various parts of the Indian subcontinent.

So, the same sleazy tactics they use in the states are being used in India.  They don't want to build their own churches, so they absorb the churches of others as their own.  These other denominations and churches probably have no idea that this is different from the Christianity they believe, and see the big words and thick books and get impressed with giving their elders a "university level" education.  Then, they get indoctrinated into the peculiar items like lordship salvation, nouthetic counseling, restoration process, etc. (not sure if the tmai campuses have a wow staff).  The 20 churches planted probably were originally churches organized by other missions groups/denominations and some of the 54 men they indoctrinated along with the slaves they send from the college during the missions weeks probably started attending these churches and offering "help" to their pastors.  Then, once those 54 men could work their way up to elder status they could influence the churches to adopt the ways of TMAI.

This leadership training will teach the group process as well, and how to bring people to a consensus of how you want them to think. The "expository preaching" is used for this as well, as a way to make people think something when they don't realize their mind is being changed.  I just hope the real Christians that sent the e-mail from India don't fall for these tricks and see through this fancy talk for what it is.  These people, being in the danger they are in, are probably scrutinizing everybody they get involved with, so that may help them.  They do need our prayers though.  I hope people realize TMAI is just a tool for the globalists, and that GCC is just playing their part in the overall plan.

One more thing...The kids being sent there probably do not realize how much danger Christians are in in India.  I'll bet in the vignettes that play on the screen during the chapel services they are probably showing it as being like a vacation with the coffee shop and smiling faces.  


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I think it's noteworthy as well that TMAI India is not located in a city like Bombay or Calcutta, but in Goa, which is a popular resort and tourist destination.  
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