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Ken Ramey is the pastor-teacher at Lakeside Bible Church in Montgomery, TX.  According to his church bio, Ramey has been well trained by John Macarthur.

 "[Ramey] transferred to The Master’s College in Los Angeles, CA where he graduated with a bachelor’s degree in Youth Ministry.  He went on to receive his M. Div. from The Master’s Seminary and joined the pastoral staff at Grace Community Church where he served as the High School Pastor for four years and as professor of Youth Ministry at TMC.  He completed his D. Min. in Expository Preaching at TMS..."

The following is a video of Lakeside Bible Church's Student Ministries Winter Camp 2013.  And just as John Macarthur's High School Camp Regen and his Jr. High Xchange Ministry Camp involved kids playing debasing and degrading games with mud and dead animal heads, Ramey's Camp not only involves "games" with mud and dead animals, but blood as well.  In fact, at one point in this video a scared child is seen running away when an adult tries to pour blood on him.  Don't believe it?  Check out this video and see for yourself. (Note: This video has now been deleted from the LBC website.) 

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The following video is of Ken Ramey's Lakeside Bible Church's Student Ministries Winter Camp 2012.  Notice the opening frame is of a young church member flashing the Devil's Horn hand signal while what appears to be an octopus is draped over his head. (Note: This video has been deleted from the LBC website.)
  
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Our church is in the GCC network in some type  affiliation. Is this taking place in all the GCC affiliate's
camps? Anyone gotten John Macarthur to respond the to or offer some explanation ? Not sure what could be said but if the activity  cannot be explained then why is it allowed to happen? What about the health risk- injury risk and spiritual impact of this on the kids? Do parents of these kids know what is up at the camps? Is this some type of initiation or hazing in the minds of the leaders? My goodness if devoted followers cannot trust conservative John Macarthur who can they trust? How many other churches are doing this and maybe worse to our children ?   
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No parents most parents at this church have no idea! The kids don't say anything because they don't see the harm and they think it's just part of the games. Parents don't ask because what parent would think that they are even doing this? The leaders don't say anything nor are they ever confronted because this is what they learn at John MacArthurs church and seminary!
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Revcoltom,

You are asking all the right questions and I wish I had the answers.  John Macarthur's Druid Festival "Camp Regen" has been exposed and to my knowledge there has been no explanation or response from Macarthur or the GCC leadership.  I contacted about 10 of the churches that sent kids to Camp Regen explaining to them the true pagan nature of these camp "games" and though I emailed dozens of church leaders I received no responses at all.   

Are these types of activities taking place at other GCC affiliated children's camps?  That question may be hard to answer because it's possible that many of these camps and festivals haven't been video recorded. 

Though most of the parents don't know what's going on in these camps, I have to believe most of the church leaders do know exactly what's going on and keep in mind that John Macarthur is present every year at Camp Regen. 

Without doubt there is a strong effort now to paganize the Christian churches and I do wonder how many of these church leaders are Druids or Freemasons or satanists.  We know that since Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, his occult ministers disguise themselves as ministers of righteousness.

I believe young church members at these camps are being taught pagan customs that are invoking pagan gods and I believe these practices are also conditioning the church members for an occult initiation and reception of the mark of the Beast (which Macarthur and his church leaders teach is NOT unforgivable).     

 
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I agree with you 100% months ago I began studying freemasons and John MacArthurs affiliation / background to the masons and it blew my mind! I can't even tell you how I thought to connect these dots and what has been said here makes complete sense to me, I see the big picture. I am a former member of this church and I can assure you I had no idea what was happening at these camps. My kids said yeah mom they played with dead animal parts for games. Keep in mind kids don't recognize the wrong in it especially if the leaders are setting these games up and putting it in the context of this is just fun and made to be gross but nothing wrong with it. Personally this is disturbing and nothing I would ever expose my kid to purposefully. I would have been raining kane had I known. There has to be another purpose for these games using animals because every parent I showed was disgusted and say the same thing, this is not Christian!!! Ken Ramey, Billy Blakey, Adam Tyson , Blake Boyce, and Tim Drumm are all Master Seminary grads or attendies implimented these games they are in the videos. Ken Ramey's daughter a pastors daughter is kissing the entrails of a dead animal, not a squid and if it is a squid someone needs to explain to me how this stuff glorifies Christ or gives a good representation of Christians? This is pagen when you have an alter (upside down trash can) with dead animal parts(sitting on top) and a circle of children linked together (holding hands using rope ) playing tug of war !!!!!! That is a clear cut representation of witchcraft/ pagen circles sacrificing animals to their gods and this is going on at a non denominational evangelical church affiliated directly to John MacArthur?? What more do we need to see before we get it before we recognize what is going on. The best way for the anti Christ to get in to the church is through indoctrinating children. Calling good evil and evil good! Ken Ramey presents himself as an innocent lamb when your around him. However cross him and he unleashes a different way about him while using scripture against you. Adam Tyson the former youth pastor left in June /July 2013 to be senior pastor at placerita Baptist Church in placerita California, Billy Blakey came from GCC to replace him and now he's leaving after 2 years to go back to California Tim Drumm left shortly after adam tyson to his church and to attend the masters seminary in 2013, Blake Boyce or boys, the music pastor left lakeside bible church this year to head the same direction to California to his brothers church. I'm placing dates because I noticed these pastors love to put their credentials in their bios but leave the years and dates vague especially when scandals may be floating around the churches they served in. This is especially with this church and some of these guys. If pastor ken ever reads this I want you to know that I am on your butt to expose the whole lot o f you for what you are doing to God's children. Hopefully the guy here who's the moderator continues to expose macarthur and men like these directly connected to macarthur. It's shameful that these men run God's people off. Please keep posting and digging.
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Our church is in the GCC network in some type  affiliation. Is this taking place in all the GCC affiliate's
camps? Anyone gotten John Macarthur to respond the to or offer some explanation ? Not sure what could be said but if the activity  cannot be explained then why is it allowed to happen? What about the health risk- injury risk and spiritual impact of this on the kids? Do parents of these kids know what is up at the camps? Is this some type of initiation or hazing in the minds of the leaders? My goodness if devoted followers cannot trust conservative John Macarthur who can they trust? How many other churches are doing this and maybe worse to our children ?   
A few observations to answer some of revcoltom's questions...

When I was in this cult hazing was a big part of the culture for the young people from youth all the way through college age.  Pranks were sometimes used as practical jokes but in some cases were done as retaliation to harm people out of anger, as I mentioned in the TMC abuse thread earlier in the forum.  During wow weeks and other special events they would have games similar to what watchmanwakes has been showing with Camp Regen, and the student life division always bragged these were great ways to bond people together.  So, in that respect I would say that it is very similar to a fraternity initiation, where people have bonded because they have been through an ordeal together.  In reality, it is probably a form of mind control where a temporary euphoria is produced because you have completed a stressful task with others around you congratulating you, binding you further to the cult through a form of "Stockholm Syndrome."  Another reason for these weird games is to give you the "illusion" of freedom.  If you later hear the charge of them being legalistic or a cult, they are hoping you will remember these worldly pagan games and it will offset the cult charges.  I realize this part doesn't make much sense, but these are the types of excuses they use, calling it "freedom in Christ," a phrase I often heard used in connection with hazing.

As for your church being part of this "Grace Advance"/TMAI network, I highly suggest reading the accounts of "brokenbutstanding" in the thread about the church takeover in Italy as well as some of couragehonor's posts about Ken Ramey.  This is simply the cult's ploy to build it's own denomination by taking over churches that already exist instead of building their own.  While I don't know the whole process, how it seems to work is that a TMS grad (or already ordained minister who retrains through the extension program) somehow becomes pastor of a church.  He then gets the church to change from congregational rule to elder rule, allowing him to fill elder and leadership spots with more TMS trained staff, which allows the establishment of Lordship Salvation theology and practices in the church.  A franchised academy is then set up teaching authorized TMC and TMS theology courses, and lordship books are used in Sunday School and other classes.  Nouthetic Counseling departments are set up as well, with members offered a crash course version of GCC's counseling certification, which helps enforce all of the above on the members.  All who disagree are then voted out by the elders.  I can imagine franchise fees, book orders, as well as weekly reports are given to the main cult in Sun Valley.

 

A quick correction to something couragehonor posted about...Placerita Baptist  (now "Bible") Church is actually located in Santa Clarita, California and not Placerita.  It takes its name from Placerita Canyon Road, which runs through TMC, and the church itself is located on campus at the bottom of the hill where the dorms are located.  This is one reason it is popular with students who don't have cars, since it is walking distance from the dorms.  It is one of several churches around the college that allows TMS interns to practice their preaching skills and hold positions, and when I was there the college used the building for some classes even.

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The following video is from Ken Ramey's Lakeside Bible Church ministry called DNOW 2010.  As seen below, DNOW 2010 includes young church members holding ropes as they dance around pieces of meat atop a garbage can alter.  Near the end of the video one young DNOW attendee was prompted to say, "What I liked about DNOW was the games were awesome and Ryan Boys really challenged us spiritually, ecumenically..."  The purpose of ecumenism is to create a one world church for the worship of Lucifer.



This picture below taken from the video suggests to me that the teams involved in DNOW were called "The Livers," "The Gall-bladders," "The Brains," and "The Intestines." 

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Yep and that's the place where worship services were held. I noticed that the cross is right underneath the words livers, brains, ect.... as a parent I had no idea I just assumed my kids were participating in wholesome games. I don't mind gooey but animal parts, really Ken Ramey????? If I didn't have to worry about you knocking on my door trying to exercise church discipline and sick the church on my family I would be lighting you up left and right on this , verbally. I plan on showing all our friends this particular website that I know from the church. Shameful these kids have no idea what's being presented here.
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There is a wealth of evidence that John Macarthur is a Freemason and Druid.  (See John Macarthur's Druid Festival and John Macarthur: Freemason).  There are four major Druid/Wiccan sabbats: Imbolc, Beltane, Lughnasadh, and Samhain.  Macarthur's Camp Regen is the Druid Festival of Lughnasadh. 

Pastor Ken Ramey of Lakeside Bible Church has worked as a pastor at Grace Community Church and has received at least 3 degrees from The Masters College and The Masters Seminary.  Because the video is posted on his churches resources page, I assume young church members from Lakeside Bible Church participated in Macarthur's Camp Regen 2010 in Glorietta, NM. 

Of interest, Ken Ramey's Lakeside Bible Church's "Fall Family Fest 2012" was held on Samhain (October 31) and included face painting as seen in the still picture below. 

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Didn't watchpray post something about a President's Circle orchestra event that was held on a pagan holiday at under the oaks? It would be interesting to show what they do on each of these major sabbats and holidays.
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What is a presidents circle orchestra?
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Whoa, wait a minute are you kidding? We went to that. My kids never got the face paint but we ate and got candy and played the games. We would have been better off trick or treating with the family.
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Didn't watchpray post something about a President's Circle orchestra event that was held on a pagan holiday at under the oaks? It would be interesting to show what they do on each of these major sabbats and holidays.


Yes, the following which has been excerpted from John Macarthur: Mainstreaming Paganism in the Church--History of the Druids shows that a President's Circle concert was held "Under the Oaks" at The Master's College on April 30th which is the Druid feast of Beltane, a major Druid sabbat. 
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A popular setting for meetings and events at John MacArthur’s The Master’s College is a grove called Under the Oaks.” An upcoming event will be a Big Band Concert attended by members of the President’s Circle, an elite group of wealthy contributors to TMC.  This worldly event will be heldUnder the Oaks” on April 30, which is the Druid feast of Beltane:

“A special Under the Oaks BIG Band Concert’—April 30th 5 p.m. at North Campus. Enjoy the sounds of classic jazz and spectacular big band tunes on the beautiful campus grounds.


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Druids worshipped the oak tree as a king of the gods and a grove of oak trees as an entrance to the underworld. For this reason, Druids always performed their demonic rituals in groves of oak trees.

“Of all the trees in Britain and Ireland the oak is considered king... In the Classical world it was regarded as the Tree of Life as its deep roots penetrate as deep into the Underworld as its branches soar to the sky, and it was held sacred to Zeus and Jupiter... Druids have always been associated with sacred groves and particularly oak forests... Combined with the Indo-European root ‘wid’: to know, ‘Druid’ may have referred to those with ‘knowledge of the oak,’ the ‘Wise Ones of the Oakwood’. The Sanskrit word, ‘Duir’, gave rise both to the word for oak and the English word ‘door’, which suggests that this tree stands as an opening into greater wisdom, perhaps an entryway into the otherworld itself... Pliny, who lived in Gaul during the 1st century CE,...writes that the Druids performed all their religious rites in oak-groves.”  (Order of Bards, Ovates & Druids)

Thus among the Celts of Gaul the Druids esteemed nothing more sacred than the mistletoe and the oak on which it grew; they chose groves of oaks for the scene of their solemn service, and they performed none of their rites without oak leaves. The Celts, says a Greek writer, worship Zeus, and the Celtic image of Zeus is a tall oak.... Men sacrificed to oak-trees for good crops...” (James Frazer, The Golden Bough, XV. The Worship of the Oak)

The Druids performed rituals and ceremonies in groves of sacred oak trees, and believed that the interior of the oak was the abode of the dead. (Sacred Legends of the World Tree)

“Oak in the forest towers with might, In the fire brings the Gods in sight...

King Arthurs round table was made from a single cross section of a large Oak...

Witches often danced beneath the Oak Tree for ritual. The druids would not meet for ritual if there was not an Oak tree present. Idols were made from Oak wood. (The Goddess Tree: Oak)
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Another similarity to the region of Bashan is the location of The Masters College Under the Oaks” grove at the North Campus (#9 in the photo below), just as Mount Hermon is located in the northern extremity of Israel.

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“A special Under the Oaks BIG Band Concert’—
April 30th 5 p.m. at North Campus. (President’s Circle)

Considering the abundance of evidence that John MacArthur is a Freemason and a Druid, we do not think it a coincidence that the sacred grove of oak trees, under which TMC students gather for meetings and events, is located in the North Campus. Pagan rites must be performed according to specific rules in order to invoke their deities (demons) without dire consequences.

First a sacred circle must be cast according to the cardinal points of the compass. John MacArthur displayed such a compass on his Outreach Ministry webpage, but it was removed subsequent to The Watchman Wakes expose.

The directional compass is an important device used in ritual high magic. Covens use the compass when casting a circle before their rituals to establish the four directions from which they invoke the rulers of this world’s darkness. They also use the compass to determine “True North” which is believed to be the residence of Lucifer “in the sides of the north” based on Isaiah 14:13:

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north.” 




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To be in the President's Circle you must give John MacArthur at least a $25,000 a year donation (that was what it was when I was in, they've probably raised it since then) and in exchange you get invites to exclusive events like dinners, bible studies, concerts, etc where you get to attend with MacArthur. The main dinner and awards banquet is held in the exclusive Penberthy Dining Room that is more elegant than where all other members, students, or employees normally dine. (Yes, the more you learn it just keeps getting worse. )
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Perhaps some Christians are wondering by now why a frequently recurring motif/theme at these youth camps involves mud and pigs (not to mention blood).  Why do these church leaders have young Christians at these camps slogging in mud like swine?  Why do they have them dancing around pig heads?  Or within wet muddy pig pens chasing after pigs while being drenched with a water hose as seen in the still picture below from Lakeside Bible Church's DNOW 2012 ministry?  Are these young Christians treated as swine because the church leaders consider them to be swine?  

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The test file opened ok for me. Any significance to the sermon?
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YES THERE IS A HUGE SIGNIFICANCE!!! Ken Ramey preached in Pretoria Africa this year at this shepherds conference May 22nd -24th. well within this time frame. He gives the low down on how he split WALDEN COMMUNITY CHURCH IN MONTGOMERY TEXAS and accuses those whom he stole it's church members (going up the road with a splinter group) well it was more like going down the street with almost the entire church! He took 150 of its 200 members and all because he and some power hungry men tried to change this church immediately from a congregational rule to an elder/pastor rule church. Ken says it all in here and he even got direction directly from his mentor JOHN MACARTHUR again ken says this. He calls these Christian brothers and sisters divisive (including its pastor of 16 years) , bitter, angry, gossips, and that they can have their stain glass windows and pues. All because the members were smart enough and discerning to know that ken, JOHN MACARTHUR , and some men there were trying to Shanghai their church !!!!! Well ken hurt the remaining members with these newly broken relationships and now that he knows someone from back home in Montgomery listened to this sermon the pastor at Grace church in Pretoria Africa removed ALL OF KENS SERMONS OR THAT HE EVEN SPOKE THERE THIS YEAR. This sermon being the cause of it!!! Look folks all is not right in whoville when pastor start removing that they preached somewhere and the very sermon he knows that can bring some heat!!!! Well ken if you see this here's the heat and it's just getting started. You alwa ys have had an agenda along with your mentor and the rest of john macarthur minions and it's time to expose it. Whoever reads this listen to how KEN RAMEY OF LAKESIDE BIBLE CHURCH IN MONTGOMERY TEXAS slams the very church who invited him in. They had no idea what they were getting when they got John macarthurs seminary graduate and former GCC youth PASTOR.
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YES THERE IS A HUGE SIGNIFICANCE!!! Ken Ramey preached in Pretoria Africa this year at this shepherds conference May 22nd -24th. well within this time frame. He gives the low down on how he split WALDEN COMMUNITY CHURCH IN MONTGOMERY TEXAS and accuses those whom he stole it's church members (going up the road with a splinter group) well it was more like going down the street with almost the entire church! He took 150 of its 200 members and all because he and some power hungry men tried to change this church immediately from a congregational rule to an elder/pastor rule church. Ken says it all in here and he even got direction directly from his mentor JOHN MACARTHUR again ken says this. He calls these Christian brothers and sisters divisive (including its pastor of 16 years) , bitter, angry, gossips, and that they can have their stain glass windows and pues. All because the members were smart enough and discerning to know that ken, JOHN MACARTHUR , and some men there were trying to Shanghai their church !!!!! Well ken hurt the remaining members with these newly broken relationships and now that he knows someone from back home in Montgomery listened to this sermon the pastor at Grace church in Pretoria Africa removed ALL OF KENS SERMONS OR THAT HE EVEN SPOKE THERE THIS YEAR. This sermon being the cause of it!!! Look folks all is not right in whoville when pastor start removing that they preached somewhere and the very sermon he knows that can bring some heat!!!! Well ken if you see this here's the heat and it's just getting started. You alwa ys have had an agenda along with your mentor and the rest of john macarthur minions and it's time to expose it. Whoever reads this listen to how KEN RAMEY OF LAKESIDE BIBLE CHURCH IN MONTGOMERY TEXAS slams the very church who invited him in. They had no idea what they were getting when they got John macarthurs seminary graduate and former GCC youth PASTOR.

Couragehonor,
Sorry, I didn't mean to seem insensitive.  I had only tested the file to see if it would play, and didn't realize it was Ramey's sermon.  It saddened me and I found it hard to get through, not only because I used to know Ken Ramey, but everything he was saying was nothing but stock Lordship excuses from MacArthur.  His mention of the lawyer and how Christians shouldn't sue Christians is laughable, since they do it all the time.  He completely downplayed the lordship changes made to the church by focusing on minute details like where the pastor sits.  This gives me just one more reason not to be able to stand Ramey.  He also admits, as you said, that he takes orders from MacArthur.

Thank you Couragehonor for having the courage to keep speaking out.  As I've said to others, getting the word out may stop thousands from losing their time, money, or lives to this cult.

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No worries , you use to know ken? Personally did you go to seminary with him? What was your take on him when you interacted with him? He comes across kind nice but when you disobey him he's firm and beats you over the head with scripture. He makes you feel like crap for going against what he has warned people not to do. It's stuff that he has no business telling people how to live.
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He was a good friend of my roommate while he was taking some seminary courses and employed by the organization. I think he taught for a while in the Bible department and was a youth pastor at GCC. The people he kept company with were very obnoxious. We got along in my early days but I couldn't stand them toward the end. Your assessment sounds accurate, they were always the "holier than thou" type that would have private studies so they could brag to MacArthur about how much outside study and accountability they had. They are very obsessed with confrontation.
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I know ken attended word of life bible institute in the 80'S maybe around 1986/87. If you Google pastor Chris Mueller you will see something is up with him to. Along with Adam Tyson , Blake Boys ,Kristen stire , Billy blakey, and shannon Hurley in Uganda
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I know ken attended word of life bible institute in the 80'S maybe around 1986/87. If you Google pastor Chris Mueller you will see something is up with him to. Along with Adam Tyson , Blake Boys ,Kristen stire , Billy blakey, and shannon Hurley in Uganda
Shannon Hurley and I were actually in a small group together and sang in choir together, I'm sad to see they've roped him into this, I guess the missions trip they sent him to really made him want to infiltrate Christianity in Uganda. He was one person I didn't expect to stay this long, as he didn't fully agree with the nouthetic counseling part, but I'm guessing by now he's fully on board.

I didn't know a Blake Boys but I was friends with Ryan Boys, the guy on the left in the pic of the kids camp taken from Ramey's church.

I'll look into Chris Mueller and some of these other names to see what I can find out. I wish more could learn the truth and not devote a whole life to putting people in this bondage. It's hard for me to believe some of the same people I knew all those years ago are still doing the same things and having to constantly report all their actions. I don't think Christ intended them to waste their lives like this. Ultimately it turns more people off to Christ than it does to get people to seek Him.
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I like shannon hurley but let's be honest he's part of this network and he is a very influential man Uganda especially among the tribes there and in politics. He does good things with the people there but the bottom line is he's macarthur trained and indoctrinated. His adopted daughter Emma goes to TMS right now and I'm sure his other kids will to. I have no doubt they will be sending many men from Uganda to go to TMS in order to get training and come back to indoctrinate the masses. Look at who is on the board of his missions. Let me tell you just how connected these guys are in ken ramey camp. Lakeside supports the hurleys big time. Adam Tyson was the youth pastor at LBC before becoming the senior pastor at placerita Baptist Church. Adam is married to Shannons wife's sister. His father in law ( a former corporate big wig) is on his missions board. Nothing wrong with family helping out but it's more than just helping I see. Blake Boys brothers and father come to lakeside to preach and ken go's to their churches to preach. Blake left supposidly to help his brother in his church well billy blakey is now leaving lakeside for the exact same reason to help his brother at the church he pastors. Billy blakey has not been at LBC for more than 2 years and he is up and leaving to go right back to California. It's not normal in my opinion and something is up. I'm finding out that there is all kinds of crazy stuff going on at LBC and members are afraid of being called gossips and devisive. They know if they oppose anything individually church discipline will occur. These men leading this church are snakes in the grass and the people don't realize it! A lot do though. And by the way they take young beautiful couples and immediately put them in leadership to be groomed and I mean as young as 20. Adam and Lisa Tyson were hand picked as well as many others. Just wait if these men go unchecked ken, adam shannon, billy, blake, and so forth you will see them in the status of mark dever al mohler jon macarthur and so fourth in the years to come. This is crazy stiff but little did we realize what we walked into when we first came to LBC
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The Muddy and Bloody Games at Ken Ramey's Lakeside Bible Church

These debasing and degrading games have young church members in mud like swine handling bloody animal parts while blood is being poured on them. 

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Can the sermon Ken Ramey preached from Africa be reposted? It's not working. It runs for a few minutes then stops, and keeps starting over. I really want to hear it. I'm a member of Lakesibe. These videos are extremely disturbing. I'm interested to hear how playing with animal organs will be explained by them.
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BigJake,

The Ramey audio sermon seems to work OK on my end.  Maybe I can try to repost...but it might be the same.  Maybe you can try it from another computer... 

I'd also like to hear the LBC leadership explain how kids in mud playing with and dancing around bloody animal parts is edifying or is worshipping to Jesus Christ. 
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It runs just fine for me. Maybe try another computer. My friend and her father just listened to it on a laptop and tablet
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I think this 3-part video is of interest given what's going on at John Macarthur's and Ken Ramey's youth camps.

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