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revcoltom

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Someone sent me a link to  a you tube video
 
"Man confronts Macarthur "
about a disruption in the GCC church service this Sunday.
Sorry  but this seemed staged- as if it was expected and one
person pointed out the guy seemed amplified as if he was wearing a
Microphone ? anyone seen the video? Thoughts anyone !
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Yes, I too believe it was staged.  A few thoughts as to why they would do something like this...

Lordship Salvation is marketed as being the only true doctrine with all other Christians teaching a form of watered down doctrine.  Charismatics are one of many groups MacArthur attacks in an attempt to win converts by showing they were taught what they believe out of ignorance, and that only lordship doctrine is taught once you have an actual education on what the Bible really means through hermeneutics.  This incident will be used by GCC to show that only the ignorant would lose their temper and not want to debate in a civil manner, and when counselors deal with new converts who came out of the charismatic movement, they will trot out videos of this to remind the new marks of what they left behind.  It is common for new converts to have to go to counseling to overcome doubts about the doctrine, and unfortunately this will give them some ammo

When I was there MacArthur had a steak dinner once a month with Jack Hayford and was friends with John Piper, so he is friends with some charismatics and is hypocritical in this respect.  Also hypocritical is how much MacArthur's own doctrine adds to the Bible, but I'll leave that for the other threads.  No charismatic would do something like this because they know it would only hurt their position.

As you probably already know from the articles on this website as well as the other posts on this forum, this is not the most ethical ministry in the world, so I would not put them doing something like this past them, but I guess we can't know for sure.  As you said, he does seem miced, and the execs in the front didn't show much reaction

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I have been in services in some very larger churches where someone did this very kind of thing- step to the podium and speak out some "word form the Lord" or rebuke . This one just seemed rehearsed the event , the reaction, the escorted exit ! I have also heard some powerful men of God preach life changing sermons that can be remembered  decades later. That style of preaching "Thus Saith the Lord" seems long gone and perhaps there should be some rebukes arising from the pew over the alternative we get today. One great preacher of the last century said "there are three kinds of preaching - mouth to ear- head to head- HEART To HEART..." The Heart of God to the Heart of His people. Mostly today we are just force fed dry toast made from yesterdays manna at best. We are drowning in a sea of teaching and ever learning and yet the  declining spiritual climate of the church- the average Christian -and the nation /culture which  we have filled with surplus of "wisdom" is the greatest evidence of our lack . Maybe this guys is for real but if so what does it mean if he is ignored and passed off with a joke or two?
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The "heart to heart" part is definitely what they are lacking. They tend to hinge all their doctrines on knowledge. The problem with this event is this guy is the extreme example MacArthur wants his followers to think of when they think of charismatics. While I'm not a charismatic, I have visited my aunt's Assembly of God church enough to know the stuff talked about in Charismatic Chaos and Strange Fire is the extreme of that movement and not how all of them believe. The phenomenon mentioned in that book is charismatics who believe things most in that movement themselves don't take part in. For instance, my aunt believed in tongues, just that it was a rarity and did not happen every time a person prayed, also she rejected thiings like holy laughter, necromancing, etc. However, she did believe she was a charismatic and would accept accounts of the gifts the A of G church believed in as valid.

MacArthur wants to paint charismatics as uneducated, uncivil, and people who get rowdy and yell during a worship service, and I think that is unfair to those who believe they are charismatics but are not like this.

I agree with you they should let the Spirit speak to their hearts, if they would just open up the books of the Bible on the list where MacArthur quotes passages and read the whole book in context starting in verse 1 they could see it is not saying what he claims. The trouble is they refuse, even with it staring them right in the face. A shill they sent to the Cult Ed forum to attack me asked who would be a better Bible teacher if not MacArthur. One lady replied in a subsequent post "How about the Holy Spirit or the Bible?" I hope that statement later comes back to him.
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